From: BOBHUGHES@TTLC.NET   
      
   On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:48:50 -0600, "Derek A. Bill"   
    wrote:   
      
   >In article <_wefd.7137$KJ6.5455@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Greg   
   >Heilers  wrote:   
   >   
   >> john spencer wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> >> 3)  they even reproduced the little "creaking" noise in surf's up!   
   >> >> whenever i heard the '71 surf's up in headphones there was that one   
   >> >> spot where i wondered if it was on the recording or if i had just   
   >> >> moved in my chair.  i was surprised to have the duplicate experience   
   >> >> the other day with the new cd.   
   >> >   
   >> > Very interesting.  I think what you are referring too, at about 54 seconds   
   >> > into the song, is actually the horn.  Just before the horns play one of   
   >> > them   
   >> > does a croak.  It DOES sound like a chair being dragged across the floor   
   >> > but   
   >> > it's a horn.  Maybe a horn player out there  can explain what that sound   
   >> > is.   
   >>   
   >> I seem to remember, back in high school jazz band (I played trumpet), that   
   >> we referred to it as a "rip".  But that was just our term for it.  It is   
   >> neat, though, that the very same thing was done by the horn players in the   
   >> original 1966 session.   
   >>   
   That's what it's called- a "rip".  Pretty standard jazz sort of thing.   
      
      
      
   >> > It's sort of a trill.  If you can seek out some of the "George fell in to   
   >> > his French horn" excerpts you will hear a lot of the experimenting that   
   >> > went   
   >> > on.  At least I think this is what you are talking about.   
   >> >   
   >> > I also am amazed at how well everything was duplicated.  A few of the   
   >> > things that are lacking are the dynamics in Cabin Essence and the   
   >> > "wildness" of   
   >> > Fire.  The Iron Horse sections of Cabin Essence used to really leap out of   
   >> > the song with a lot of force.  And Fire sounds more like you're watching   
   >> > the fire from across the street as opposed to being inside of a burning   
   >> > building.  All in all I love this album.   
   >   
   >I agree with this 100%. Cabinessence is the only song where I really   
   >miss the original vocals.  Between Carl's lead and Brian's original   
   >pristine falsetto on the doing doing doing part, the new one just   
   >doesn't quite do it for me  like the old one did.   
   >   
   The new version of Cabinessence is so much better than the original I   
   can't believe anyone would prefer the old one.  The clarity of the   
   banjo in the beginning, And the sound of railroad spikes being   
   hammered, with the sudden volume shifts between the two sections (only   
   produceable on a cd- sorry vinyl fans)  just makes the whole thing   
   sound a song with one purpose.   
      
      
      
   >As for Fire, I'm glad they left the crackling sounds out. But the cello   
   >work in the 60s version sounds much more like real flames to me, right   
   >in my face almost, as compared to the new version.   
      
   The new Fire sounds like a song.  The old fire sounded like people   
   banging on musical instruments.  The crackles are missing- but on   
   stage they have "fires" all over the place, so that makes up for them.   
      
      
      
      
      
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