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   Message 1,344 of 2,821   
   Derek A. Bill to Greg Heilers   
   Re: Songs That Can Go Away Forever!!!!!!   
   07 Nov 04 08:24:34   
   
   From: derekbill@allsummerlong.com   
      
   In article ,   
   Greg Heilers  wrote:   
      
   > THE SON OF TRUTH wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > >>>   
   > >>> .... "... PROTEST IS NOT AN OPTION ! ..."   Yuppie Cowboy Fuhrer Bush II   
   > >>   
   > >>Hmmm...and when did Mr. Bush utter these words?  They do not show up under   
   > >>a "google" search.  Or is this another "dowdification"?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > I watched/heard it myself on TV a few nights ago. Came right out of his   
   > > mouth. Sorry, His mouth.   
   >   
   > Ahhh...then you definitely *have* "dowdified" it.  The actual words were:   
   >   
   >      Bush said when it comes to Iraq, "protest is not a policy"   
   >      and "retreat is not a strategy." And, he added, "failure is   
   >      not an option."   
   >      (source: NBC News - 10/25/04)   
   >   
   > --   
   >   
   > Greg Heilers   
   > Registered Linux User #328317 - SlackWare 10.0   
   >   
   >      .....   
   >   
   > n London's Daily Telegraph, Janet Daley reflects on Bush-hatred as an   
   > expression of European anti-Americanism:   
   >   
   >      .....   
   >   
   > He is hated because he is the embodiment of everything that the United   
   > States is, and Europe is not: not just enormously powerful, militarily and   
   > economically, but brashly confident and fervently patriotic. Where Europe is   
   > steeped in historical guilt and self-loathing--so immersed in its own   
   > unforgivable past that it is trying to fashion a constitution that actually   
   > prohibits national pride--America is profoundly proud of the success of its   
   > own miraculous achievement.   
   >   
      
   Only if we fail to acknowledge our mistakes (and there've been many,   
   and not just recently) can we be so proud, which may explain why some   
   would call it miraculous.  A person or nation can be introspective,   
   reflective, and feel remorse or regret without being "self-loathing".   
   Grandiosity and megalomania may require denial of all things negative,   
   but objectivity and the the realization that humans individually and   
   collectively make mistakes is not only historically sound and   
   inevitable, its Christian.  That would be Christian in the Jesus Christ   
   sense, not the Christian Crusade sense.   
      
   We've got some manifest destiny redux going on now, and it's ugly. We   
   once moved across a continent of native tribes, first attempting to   
   bring them civility and Christianity (when in reality we only wanted   
   their land), and when that failed, slaughtering them as ungrateful,   
   indefatigable nonconverts. Ditto Hawaii, except those folks were bright   
   enough to have seen the future and not fight back.   
      
   Today its Democracy we're bringing to Muslims. Iraq is a land of tribes   
   artifically linked by 1920s British colonialist mindset, and held   
   together by totalitarianist dictators. Now that we've removed the man   
   who held the 'country' together, it's falling apart. Hussein once said   
   "they will need six presidents to rule Iraq when i am gone" and his   
   words are gaining credibility as we watch the various factions fight   
   over the territory. It's like Yugoslavia and Tito devolving into   
   Bosnia, Slovenia, Serbia, etc. But at least our efforts there resulted   
   in no loss of American life.   
      
   Meanwhile, closer to home, people who would never vote for a candidate   
   supporting abortion rights will vote for a President who bombs pregnant   
   women. Are those unborn any less innocent than our own?  And we defend   
   (when we even bother to acknowledge) our actions by claiming our intent   
   isn't the same. At least with Hiroshima we were killing people whose   
   leader had started a war with us.   
      
   There are fools and there are cowards, and I'm not sure which is worse.   
   It's easy to be brave when you're fighting with the blood of others'   
   young. It's easy to be thought of as a hero when you're surrounded with   
   the likeminded. Mobs are democracy at their purest, then devolve   
   quickly into dictatorships. And when those  'self-loathers' at home and   
   abroad who oppose or doubt or criticize you,  take solace in the fact   
   that you've got 51% of the vote.  The man had designs on Iraq in 1999   
   and has used 9/11 to justify spending our blood and our treasure on   
   trying to drag people into a world they don't want to live in.  Which   
   is particularly ironic when one considers that, here at home, people   
   vote for him because they don't want to acknowledge that the world has   
   already changed, that sometimes men love men, and women love women,   
   that abortion is not only for the rich and well-connected, that cable   
   TV is kicking network TV's ass because real people can say real words   
   like 'fuck' on cable (just like satellite radio will kick the ass of   
   free terrestrial radio someday), that people arrested for using crack   
   have their voting rights taken away while those who use who illegally   
   use prescription drugs (or powdered cocaine) are still be allowed to   
   vote. The list goes on.   
      
   Maybe in a hundred years some genius composer and a brilliant   
   iconoclastic poet will write a suite of songs about the USA's second   
   great Crusade, and people who are suspicious of the college educated   
   will complain that the lyrics are too hard to understand.  We won't be   
   around to see it, but as sure as those who deny the mistakes of the   
   past are bound to repeat them, my guess is it will happen again. I was   
   wrong about the outcome of this election because I believed the exit   
   polls which showed a Kerry victory, forgetting that, once again,   
   casting a ballot and having it counted are two different things. But   
   sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. Besides,   
   like Barbara Bush once said, "It's more important what happens at your   
   hosue than what happens at the White House". And I feel very fortunate   
   not to have to worry about my house being bombed.   
      
   Derek   
      
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