From: michdfalikdgfdfmatt@codfdfmcast.net   
      
   You're right.  I AM using "creepy" as a negative word, but the way I'm using   
   it is hardly vague.  What does "creepy" mean?  That's easy.  It means   
   Unpleasant and annoying.   
   If it makes it any easier, just plug in "unpleasant and annoying" everywhere   
   I said "creepy".   
      
      
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   "Derek A. Bill"  wrote in message   
   news:031020042120433191%derekbill@allsummerlong.com...   
   > In article , matt   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Some people will surely hate me for what I'm about to say......   
   >>   
   >> I've been a loooooong time lurker and occasional poster here.  I'm a BIG   
   >> Beach Boys/Brian Wilson fan.   
   >>   
   >> Recently, there has been an endless stream of posts about what a   
   >> masterpiece   
   >> "Smile" is.  How great "Smile" is.   
   >>   
   >> I've been listening to various "Smile" boots for about 9 years.  I was   
   >> never   
   >> really impressed.  Most of the music was a little creepy.  I went out   
   >> last   
   >> week and bought the new version.  I'm still not impressed.   
   >> Can somebody please tell me what makes this album so great?  What makes   
   >> it a   
   >> masterpiece?  Is it because it went unreleased for almost 40 years?  Is   
   >> it   
   >> because it was SUPPOSED to be groundbreaking in the late 60's?  Is it   
   >> because everybody thinks of it as an artsy-fartsy album?  Is it simply   
   >> because it's an album written by Brian Wilson?   
   >> It CAN'T be because the music is great.  With the exception of Good   
   >> Vibrations and Heroes and Villains, the songs were average-to-below   
   >> average.   
   >> Most of the Smile songs are creepy, with creepy lyrics that mostly don't   
   >> make any sense!  Please!  Somebody explain this to me!   
   >   
   > What exactly does 'creepy' mean?   
   >   
   > The lyrics make sense to lots of folks. Some of us have to think about   
   > them for while to understadn them, but it's kind of a pleasurable   
   > exercise for us. If they don't make sense to you, don't worry about it,   
   > but I hope that isn't what you mean by creepy.   
   >   
   > Creepy seems like such a vague word.....but definitely negative.   
   > Seriously negative.  It's one of those words that some people use when   
   > they don't like something, and don't know why, and don't want to take   
   > any responsibility for the fact that they don't like it. I sometimes   
   > wonder if, deep inside, they wonder if maybe THEY'RE creepy. Or that   
   > SOMETHING must be creepy, and if it isn't something different from   
   > them, then it must BE them. Or that other people will think they're   
   > creepy. I guess that can get pretty disturbing, and one might want to   
   > find just about any way to avoid having to face it.   
   >   
   > Where do you get your definition of 'average'? Is this like an American   
   > Bandstand average? Trying to quantify this stuff isn't easy, I know,   
   > but i think you're proving that point trying, rather than making the   
   > point you want to.   
   >   
   > SmiLE, the new one, the one that's done, is selling very well. The   
   > critics love it.  Most of the longtime fans love it. Are they all   
   > creepy for liking it, or do they just like creepy stuff?   
   >   
   > How creepy does someone have to be...to be 'a' creep?   
   >   
   > My inability to explain it to your satisfaction may be an indication   
   > that i'm not a good explainer. Gosh, maybe I'M a creep. Or just creepy.   
   > Or it may mean other things you're not going to want to think about.   
   >   
   >> Another comment I have has to do with Brian's Leno performance, and his   
   >> public appearances in general.  The best thing I can say about the Leno   
   >> performance is that he wasn't TOTALLY out of tune.  But he looked like he   
   >> was paralyzed.  It was sad.   
   >   
   > It's a big improvement, but I know what you mean. I guess if you   
   > compare him to the rest of the band, he doesn't stand up very well.   
   > And if you compare him to lots of other performers, same thing. Of   
   > course, he is 62 years old now. hey, that reminds me...is he now the   
   > oldest person to have an album debut so high on the charts/ if not,   
   > it's got to be close. Seems like that's some kind of accomplisment in   
   > and of itself.   
   >   
   > Some of us are just happy to see him looking happy.  I happen to have   
   > enjoyed that performance a lot;  it may be the only time we ever hear   
   > that song arranged precisely that way.   
   >   
   > But at least you think it was sad, instead of creepy. That IS better,   
   > isn't it?   
   >   
   >> The first time I ever saw him in concert was in Ann Arbor Michigan on his   
   >> first tour (I think it might even have been his first concert).  He   
   >> sounded   
   >> pretty good.  The second time I saw him was on the Pet Sounds tour.  He   
   >> sounded awful.  My date was embarrassed for him.  I was embarrassed for   
   >> him.   
   >> It was truly sad.   
   >   
   > I guess if you place a high premium on playing his own instrument, or   
   > singing without a teleprompter, then your point is well taken. Again, I   
   > think lots of us enjoy those shows. I know I do.   
   >   
   > You are aware, aren't you, that some of the brightest minds in music   
   > have heard and seen him live and had wonderful things to say about the   
   > performance, right?   
   >   
   > Do you think all those people giving the standing ovations were just   
   > trying to keep warm? Or keep their asses from getting numb?   
   >   
   > Remember Joe Cocker? Some people loved his stuff, and others thought he   
   > sounded like shit.  Creepy, even. I think i may have wondered some of   
   > the same things about his fans that you're wondering about me, us.  But   
   > I spent practically no time thinking about it. One man's trash is   
   > another man's treasure, and vice versa.  In fact, I hadn't thought   
   > about it in years, until you sort of brought it up.   
   >   
   > A lot of us around here think Mike's been sounding really flat for   
   > years, as well as looking like a fool up there prancing around on   
   > stage, but because he never could play an instrument, has high   
   > self-esteem, and doesn't use a teleprompter, does that make him worth   
   > paying to see?  Lots of people still think so. I don't like the guy,   
   > don't think he has any talent, and don't understand why anyone pays   
   > anything to see him perform, let alone make a record.  But I don't   
   > think it's creepy, and I don't think it's sad. it's just one of those   
   > things i don't eunderstadn, that's all. I can live with that. I'm still   
   > curious about it, but it doesn't keep me up at night.   
   >   
   >> Same goes for interviews.  He ISN'T a good interview.  He   
   >> often doesn't make sense, and he gives conflicting answers to simple   
   >> questions from interview to interview, indicating that he's either so   
      
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