From: c_schan@live.com   
      
   On Saturday, November 15, 2003 at 1:13:35 PM UTC-8, LIBERATOR wrote:   
   > I re-read the story in Inside KungFu Magazine, and noticed there was   
   > no explanation of timing, footwork, cadence, telegraphy, fight   
   > history, but instead a lot of ancient history of which Gartin is   
   > claiming his style has no authentic lineage, that he himself has made   
   > it up by two different countries.   
   > Dutch & Indonesia.    
   > So, as it's reported by Gartin/Jundt in the magazine, they made it up,   
   > and they've never fought themselves and proven it works.   
   > And here in Denver we have 4 schools all Korean domineering experts in   
   > knife fighting, yet Gartin & Chas & their crackpot propaganda bullshit   
   > platoon do everything they can to make sure they never cross paths   
   > with all these schools.   
   > Essentially, when the government commits fraud against trusting   
   > people, they hire propaganda artists. Chas has proven to be one of   
   > these types of people. He talks real pretty, trys to display a higher   
   > education, and out of what he would like you to believe is random,   
   > talks a real good anti-Jeffco story. But I know for a fact Jeffco and   
   > all officials in Jeffco are knowingly taking part in high levels of   
   > fraud in almost all channels of government regarding all activity of   
   > government (county).   
   > And I believe Chas is one of their hired "he's just a citizen" stooge,   
   > who talks a good show, who now that they are shuffling in new   
   > presences for the sheriff, they need to make it look as if this   
   > sheriff and the last sheriff who was removed because they say he was a   
   > drunk (he wasn't, it was all staged, apparently many shuffles of power   
   > is believed to be a true change in power), and the last sheriff   
   > (Stone, the hired fall guy paid 2 million for his psyop work), are not   
   > working together but instead separate interests or "new presence". But   
   > the truth of the matter is they're all front men hired by Hollywood   
   > people to play act. And Chas is support staff and I believe he's being   
   > supplimented someway.   
   > But that's irrelevant to his self-propping of his abilities, all talk   
   > and propaganda. No fighting, he refuses to fight anyone, and like I   
   > said, Tiger Kim, JW Kim, Ki Martial Arts, U.S. Tae Kwon Do Center,   
   > Martinez TKD are all highly skilled in knife fighting, yet Chas won't   
   > spar with them, compete with them, simply because his lies won't hold   
   > up once he's been beaten publically.   
   > Look at the photos in Inside KungFu of Gartin, they are absolutely   
   > hilarious. Clearly by these photos he does not have a clue about real   
   > fighting.   
   > Chas & Gartin are con-artists, and I believe Chas is a government   
   > propaganda person who plays "just ordinary citizen who is pissed".   
   > It doesn't really matter, the guy can't fight if his life dependended   
   > on it.   
      
   Greetings. My Uncle was Brendan Lai of the 7 Stars Praying Mantis and was at   
   one time a "Inside Kung Fu" Editor. Brendan Lai is a Martial Arts Hall of   
   Famer in "Black Belt Magazine" several times over and is a icon in the world   
   of Martial Arts. It is    
   impolite to say what you have said because it implies the The De Thouars   
   Family are also fake? They are not and they are a Humble asian Family. IF you   
   only think that Martial Arts is in Korea and Japan or just Chinese then you   
   have missed the point of    
   Martial strategy altogether? When your ego speaks only then your brian does   
   not use you mouth. I will quote the Sages of old that no one ever listens too   
   until they are dead or look like fools. If one talks to a fool one vecomes a   
   fool. Excessive claims    
   of what is a martial art is irrelevant to any Martial Art because Martial Art   
   is STRATEGY! If you depend on anothers strategy to win your wars or your life   
   without your own brain being involved then you truely do not know why the   
   words "I" and Flags or    
   Countries should NEVER be used when addressing Martial Study. "I" does not   
   exist and if there were no flags then there would only be people? “Mistakes   
   are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.” “Never   
   interrupt your enemy when he    
   is making a mistake.” “No one should be ashamed to admit they are wrong,   
   which is but saying, in other words, that they are wiser today than they were   
   yesterday.” Lao Tzu...teacher to Confucius. When virtue is lost, benevolence   
   appears, when    
   benevolence is lost right conduct appears, when right conduct is lost,   
   expedience appears. Expediency is the mere shadow of right and truth; it is   
   the beginning of disorder.   
      
   Those who have knowledge, don't predict. Those who predict, don't have   
   knowledge.   
      
   Let us study firther Moral and mental Strategy which is NEVER taught in   
   American Martial Arts:    
      
   The outcome of a fight between warriors was decided by the severity of their   
   wounds.   
   ...one must look beyond the wounds to win the fight. “The purpose of   
   today’s training is to defeat yesterday’s understanding.”   
   To win any battle, you must fight as if you are already dead. You win battles   
   by knowing the enemy’s timing, and using a timing which the enemy does not   
   expect. The important thing in strategy is to suppress the enemy's useful   
   actions but allow his    
   useless actions.   
   The path that leads to truth is littered with the bodies of the ignorant.   
      
      
   "Silence is better than unmeaning words."   
   -Pathagoras   
      
   "A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere   
   illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and   
   nothing true."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)