From: coolaidcb13@yahoo.com   
      
   Good insight there my friend, I know where you're coming from. I have   
   a studio as well. Of course everything we use now is digital... but   
   anyway....   
      
   As I said last time, I've always assumed that the full clip is the   
   remake, and the short clip is the first take. I dunno why honestly, I   
   just don't think I've ever actually heard which is which. I know two   
   dude's that would know for sure, but they haven't even had the balls   
   to remake it yet... maybe someday.   
      
   I would love to hear a longer version of the short clip. I know it   
   exists, because I've heard people talk about it... and considering I   
   have every other piece of music recorded since the beginning of time,   
   it seems like a shame I haven't found that one.   
      
   Blah blah blah   
      
   Be Good Kiddies   
      
   Cedric   
      
   On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:55:57 +0200, j-man  wrote:   
   >   
   >Being a studio engineer and musician, I'll try to clarify that point.   
   >Excuse me if something sounds obvious to you, I don't know how much you   
   >know about the Eighties' studio recording policies.   
   >   
   >The tape operator erased by mistake the 24-track two-inch tape, where   
   >the musicians recorded their performances on separate tracks. These   
   >reels could be recorded and played only by professional multitrack tape   
   >machines, terribly huge and expensive, and built only by few companies   
   >(Studer, Ampex, 3M...) The multitrack tape had to be "mixed" down to a   
   >stereo tape recorder (back in the days, 1/4 or 1/2 inch open reel tapes   
   >or cassettes).   
   >BTW, anyone that ever experienced the alignment process on an analog   
   >multitrack tape recorder can understand how easily it could happen...   
   >The most tedious job I EVER experienced in my whole life...   
   >   
   >However, it is likely the sound engineer(s) did some rough mixes from   
   >that tape, before it was erased:   
   >it was probably intended as a reference for the arranger hired to write   
   >the horn section parts, or maybe for DF & WB to decide the final   
   >touches to the song arrangement. According to Brian Sweet, they did the   
   >same thing with "Time out of mind", when Mark Knopfler told them he   
   >couldn't read music and he had to learn the song by ear in order to   
   >play the guitar solo.   
   >   
   >The most important clue is the fact that backing vocals are present in   
   >that take. It was common practice to wait until the song was almost   
   >completed, before to call backup vocalists in the studio, mostly   
   >because lyrics had to be "finished" but also for technical reasons that   
   >are too difficult and long to explain (expecially in a foreign   
   >language, I'm sorry...)   
   >   
   >Anyway, it's almost impossible that an engineer tried to remix the   
   >partially erased song: there was no use to it, definitely. Even in this   
   >unlikely case, remember that, according to Brian Sweet, the tape   
   >recorder kept going in record mode until the tape-op noticed the   
   >mistake, and by then three-quarters of the song were gone. So the   
   >snippet should be the ending part, not the beginning.   
   >   
   >Hope this explanation will help. About the drummers... I don't know,   
   >really. I'll try to investigate a bit further.   
   >   
   >Ciao.   
   >   
      
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