XPost: alt.mexico, alt.movies
From: pub?@?li.us
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:19:22 GMT, escaped racist scum Al Smith
vomited:
>> Jules,
>>
>> An inciteful contribution to this discussion. Your comments about Gibson's
>> portrayal of Christ's death as a political conspiracy have made me stop and
>> think again about that story. While I can see from the scripture that there
>> were conpiratorial elements in the saga, it was more than just a politically
>> inspired entrapment. Satanic forces were at work, and Mel's Passion pic
>> does highlight that quite well, although in a very twisted sort of way.
>> When I studied the film, it seemed to me that Mel's somewhat feminised
>> (angrogynous is a better word) Devil is juxtaposed against Mary, and the
>> battle for souls is waged between this Devil and the co-redemptorix mother
>> of God. It is a very Catholic twist in the Passion narrative, wherein Mary
>> emerges stronger than Christ. That is NOT as it should be.
>>
>> Mel of course is an arch conspiracy theorist and this sub-text is the dark
>> side if his portrayal of Christ's final hours. Apocolypto is but another
>> of Mel's attempts to rewrite history and make the Catholic Church look
>> better than it really is or was or ever will be. I haven't seen the movie
>> and will probably not see it until it is on DVD, if then. But it doesn't
>> surprise me that Mel has tackled this thorny subject with a clear
>> objective - to remold the consensus on this pivotal moment in history in an
>> attempt to justify the crimes of the conquistadors in nearly wiping out a
>> civilisation. Mel is a dangerous ideologue and he needs to be watched and
>> challenged.
>>
>> The Philistine
>
>
>The indigenous peoples of Mexico, Central America and South
>America were monsters who ate human flesh and drank human blood.
>They engaged in torture for recreation. Murder was a sport for
>them. Their corrupt and decadent civilizations were on the point
>of death when the Spanish came to the New World. The Spanish
>merely gave them the final shove over the edge -- they would have
>decayed and died out anyway, even without European help. They were
>Satanic, and deserved to be wiped from the face of the Earth.
Here are some eyewitness reports.. shall we start with the slave
trader CHRISTopher [Christ carrier] himself?
The Indians "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no
one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for
something they have, they never say no, To the contrary, they offer to
share with anyone...." --- Christopher Columbus' log. [Howard Zinn, A
People's History of the United States (2003) p. 3]
"They brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other
things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawk' bells. They
willingly traded everything they owned.... They were well-built, with
good bodies and handsome features.... They did not bear arms, and did
not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and
cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are
made of cane.... They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we
could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want"
--- Christopher Columbus' log. [Howard Zinn, A People's History of the
United States (2003) p. 1]
"In his Journal entry for Christmas Day 1492, Columbus declared with
some solemnity that in all the world "I do not believe there is a
better people or a better country; they love their neighbors as
themselves" and was moved to add that "they have the softest and
gentlest speech in the world and are always laughing."
-- New Worlds for Old - Reports from the New World and Their Effect on
the Development of Social Thought in Europe, 1500-1800 by William
Brandon [1986] Ohio University Press [p. 8]
"As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I
found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might
learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these
parts." --- Christopher Columbus' log. [Howard Zinn, A
People's History of the United States (2003) p. 2]
And from other early sources:
"This infinite multitude of people was so created by God, as that they
were without fraud, without subtlety or malice, to their natural
Governors most faithful and obedient. Toward the Spaniards whom they
serve, patient, meek and peaceful, and who laying all contentious and
tumultuous thoughts aside, live without any hatred or desire of
revenge; the people are most delicate and tender, enjoying such a
feeble constitution of body as does not permit them to endure labor,
so that the Children of Princes and great persons here, are not more
nice and delicate then the Children of the meanest Country-man in that
place. The Nation is very poor and indigent, possessing little, and by
reason that they gape not after temporal goods, neither proud nor
ambitious. Their diet is such that the most holy Hermite cannot feed
more sparingly in the wilderness. They go naked, only hiding the
indecencies of nature, and a poor shag mantle about an ell or two long
is their greatest and their warmest covering. They lie upon mats, only
those who have larger fortunes, lye upon a kind of net which is tied
at the four corners, and so fasten'd to the roof, which the Indians in
their natural language call Hamecks. They are of a very apprehensive
and docible wit, and capable of all good learning, and very apt to
receive our Religion, which when they have but once tasted, they are
carried on with a very ardent and zealous desire to make a further
progress in it; so that I have heard divers Spaniards confess that
they had nothing else to hinder them from enjoying heaven, but their
ignorance of the true God."
-- "A Brief Account of the Destruction of the Indies," by Bartolome
de Las Casas (1542) [Preface]
"A life lived free of toil and tyranny, free of masters, free of greed
and the struggle for gain, became so much the key picture presented by
the first historian of the New World, Peter Martyr of Anghiera, that
his English translator summed it up in the repeated word 'liberty'.
Their "aunciente libertie" (says this translator, Richard Eden,
writing in the 1550s) had made the New World people "most happye of
all men." They were living in the golden age, wrote Peter Martyr (and
explained Richard Eden, "of whiche owlde wryters speake so much:
wherin men lyved simply and innocentlye") without even weights and
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