XPost: sci.archaeology, sci.astro, alt.messianic   
   From: Kenthz@comcast.net   
      
   Matt Giwer wrote:   
      
   > Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >   
   >> Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Atheists believe in God.  The belief is inherent in the human   
   >>>> condition... cognizance demands it. There is no choice in the matter.   
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   >   
   >>>     Can you produce physical evidence of that assertion? Please do so   
   >>> if you can. Argumentation is not physical evidence.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Every Atheist obsessed with proving to himself that something (God) he   
   >> believes does not exist does not exist, is all the evidence   
   >> necessary.  That is the mental disorder that accompanies all Atheists   
   >> their entire lives.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Physical evidence is not everything but it is the only thing of   
   > interest to a rational person. Physical evidence is not proof and has   
   > nothing to do with proof. For a thing to exist it must leave physical   
   > evidence, period. That is the nature of this reality.   
      
   What additional physical evidence beyond the scientific fact   
   of the existence of the world is necessary?   
      
   >   
   >>>> The only choice is in choosing to accept or reject Him.   
   >>>   
   >>>     What happened to HER and THEM? And what use does a god have with   
   >>> a sexual identity? It dumber than tits on a boar.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Irrelevance suits you.   
   >   
   >   
   >     I am simply asking after this compulsion of yours to insist your   
   > insubstantial god has a penis and testosterone and XY chromosomes. You   
   > claimed it very openly. Why?   
      
   If you can cite where I've said any such thing your a better   
   man than I am, Gunga Dim.  I never claimed that God is human   
   in any way.  God has no need of 'penis and testosterone and   
   XY chromosomes'.   
      
   >   
   >>>> This is a moral decision based on the strength of the individual's   
   >>>> dependence on their base desires.   Those who accept God are prone   
   >>>> to be discomforted by those lower desires and would suppress them   
   >>>> when they can.  Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when   
   >>>> they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing those   
   >>>> same base desires freely at their own discretion.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>     Other than the stuff a few perverts in 3rd c. BC Palestine   
   >>> invented as sins just what is a "base" desire and why?   
   >   
   >   
   >> A base desire is on that goes against conscience.   
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   >   
   >     Conscience is formed by the culture in which one lives. If there   
   > really were people who lived by the morality of the Old Testament the   
   > civilized people of the world would have destroyed them for their   
   > bestiality and their affront to civilization.   
   >     Should you ever read Acts you will discover Christians are   
   > prohibited from visiting brothels solely for the risk of incest with the   
   > children they sold to the brothels. Some conscience.   
      
   Human societies are formed to thwart the influence of   
   conscience.   
      
   >   
   >>>> Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism that   
   >>>> promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward man's imagined   
   >>>> perceptions of his own and the world's fallibility.   
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   >   
   >>>     The motion of objects is never fallible.   
   >   
   >   
   >> The operative word I used is "perception".  Try rereading what I   
   >> wrote, not what you wish I wrote.   
   >   
   >   
   >     That which does not occur cannot be perceived.   
      
   I see, abstractions do not enter the mind.  Might as well   
   throw science and technology out the window while you're at it.   
      
   >   
   >>>> Some religions make their deity so much like themselves that their   
   >>>> adherents see themselves as gods, empowered by the convenient but   
   >>>> false tenet of Relativism, to do as they will regardless of any   
   >>>> constraints imposed by God's absolute morality.  Among the man is   
   >>>> god religions is the religion of Atheism.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>     All educated people know that the Judeans, aka Jews, first appear   
   >>> in history in the 2nd c. BC. There is no prior mention of them when   
   >>> there should be. There is no archaeological evidence of biblical   
   >>> Israel. Thus Israel is in the same category as Camelot and Atlantis.   
   >>> But you are not educated so you do not know these things.   
   >   
   >   
   >> More ad hoc irrelevance.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Those are facts. Deal with them. The Old Testament is an invention   
   > like the Book of Mormon, Dianetics and the Koran. Yahweh and his Ashara   
   > were in the region for at least a thousand years. Her temple was in   
   > Jerusalem even after the temple of Yahweh was destroyed. She was   
   > worshiped by the Jews/Judeans. Idols of her only disappear after Rome   
   > rebuilt Jerusalem into a civilized city with running water and sanitation.   
      
   Typically flawed Atheist sermon.   
      
   >   
   >     Get over it and get on with real life.   
      
   Thanks for the advice.  LOL   
      
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