XPost: sci.archaeology, sci.astro, alt.messianic   
   From: jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com   
      
   Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   > Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>> Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >>>> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>>>> Atheists believe in God.  The belief is inherent in the human   
   >>>>> condition... cognizance demands it. There is no choice in the matter.   
   >>>>     Can you produce physical evidence of that assertion? Please do   
   >>>> so if you can. Argumentation is not physical evidence.   
      
   >>> Every Atheist obsessed with proving to himself that something (God)   
   >>> he believes does not exist does not exist, is all the evidence   
   >>> necessary.  That is the mental disorder that accompanies all Atheists   
   >>> their entire lives.   
   >>     Physical evidence is not everything but it is the only thing of   
   >> interest to a rational person. Physical evidence is not proof and has   
   >> nothing to do with proof. For a thing to exist it must leave physical   
   >> evidence, period. That is the nature of this reality.   
      
   > What additional physical evidence beyond the scientific fact of the   
   > existence of the world is necessary?   
      
   	You mean this dream of the sleeping Vishnu? Why would you choose a particular   
   thing for it to mean?   
      
   	Does the scientific fact that Shit Happens show  Loki exists?   
      
   	Whatever you choose to believe, who told you what you believe and how did they   
   know and why did you believe them?   
      
   >>>>> The only choice is in choosing to accept or reject Him.   
   >>>>     What happened to HER and THEM? And what use does a god have with   
   >>>> a sexual identity? It dumber than tits on a boar.   
   >>> Irrelevance suits you.   
   >>     I am simply asking after this compulsion of yours to insist your   
   >> insubstantial god has a penis and testosterone and XY chromosomes. You   
   >> claimed it very openly. Why?   
      
   > If you can cite where I've said any such thing your a better man than I   
   > am, Gunga Dim.  I never claimed that God is human in any way.  God has   
   > no need of 'penis and testosterone and XY chromosomes'.   
      
   	You quoted it yourself in the first >>>>> above.   
      
   The only choice is in choosing to accept or reject Him.   
      
   	Where does "him" upper or lower case come from?   
      
   >>>>> This is a moral decision based on the strength of the individual's   
   >>>>> dependence on their base desires.   Those who accept God are prone   
   >>>>> to be discomforted by those lower desires and would suppress them   
   >>>>> when they can.  Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when   
   >>>>> they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing those   
   >>>>> same base desires freely at their own discretion.   
   >>>>     Other than the stuff a few perverts in 3rd c. BC Palestine   
   >>>> invented as sins just what is a "base" desire and why?   
   >>> A base desire is on that goes against conscience.   
   >>     Conscience is formed by the culture in which one lives. If there   
   >> really were people who lived by the morality of the Old Testament the   
   >> civilized people of the world would have destroyed them for their   
   >> bestiality and their affront to civilization.   
   >>     Should you ever read Acts you will discover Christians are   
   >> prohibited from visiting brothels solely for the risk of incest with   
   >> the children they sold to the brothels. Some conscience.   
      
   > Human societies are formed to thwart the influence of conscience.   
      
   	And your evidence of that is what? Please be specific in your presentation of   
   the physical evidence.   
      
   >>>>> Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism that   
   >>>>> promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward man's imagined   
   >>>>> perceptions of his own and the world's fallibility.   
   >>>>     The motion of objects is never fallible.   
   >>> The operative word I used is "perception".  Try rereading what I   
   >>> wrote, not what you wish I wrote.   
   >>     That which does not occur cannot be perceived.   
      
   > I see, abstractions do not enter the mind.  Might as well throw science   
   > and technology out the window while you're at it.   
      
   	Science deals with physical evidence. By definition "abstraction" have no   
   physical existence. You do not appear to have the least idea what you are   
   talking about.   
      
   >>>>> Some religions make their deity so much like themselves that their   
   >>>>> adherents see themselves as gods, empowered by the convenient but   
   >>>>> false tenet of Relativism, to do as they will regardless of any   
   >>>>> constraints imposed by God's absolute morality.  Among the man is   
   >>>>> god religions is the religion of Atheism.   
   >>>>     All educated people know that the Judeans, aka Jews, first   
   >>>> appear in history in the 2nd c. BC. There is no prior mention of   
   >>>> them when there should be. There is no archaeological evidence of   
   >>>> biblical Israel. Thus Israel is in the same category as Camelot and   
   >>>> Atlantis. But you are not educated so you do not know these things.   
   >>> More ad hoc irrelevance.   
   >>     Those are facts. Deal with them. The Old Testament is an invention   
   >> like the Book of Mormon, Dianetics and the Koran. Yahweh and his   
   >> Ashara were in the region for at least a thousand years. Her temple   
   >> was in Jerusalem even after the temple of Yahweh was destroyed. She   
   >> was worshiped by the Jews/Judeans. Idols of her only disappear after   
   >> Rome rebuilt Jerusalem into a civilized city with running water and   
   >> sanitation.   
      
   > Typically flawed Atheist sermon.   
      
   	A recitation of the facts is not a sermon. That you choose not to know the   
   facts does not make them disappear.   
      
   >>     Get over it and get on with real life.   
      
   > Thanks for the advice.  LOL   
      
   	But you won't take it.   
      
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