XPost: sci.archaeology, sci.astro, alt.messianic   
   From: Kenthz@comcast.net   
      
   cormac wrote:   
      
   > On Jun 21, 8:55 am, Roy Jose Lorr  wrote:   
   >   
   >>cormac wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Jun 20, 10:31 am, Roy Jose Lorr  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Matt Giwer wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Atheists believe in God.  The belief is inherent in the human   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>condition... cognizance demands it. There is no choice in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>matter.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   Can you produce physical evidence of that assertion? Please   
   >>>>>>>>>>>do so if you can. Argumentation is not physical evidence.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Every Atheist obsessed with proving to himself that something   
   >>>>>>>>>>(God) he believes does not exist does not exist, is all the   
   >>>>>>>>>>evidence necessary.  That is the mental disorder that accompanies   
   >>>>>>>>>>all Atheists their entire lives.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>   Physical evidence is not everything but it is the only thing of   
   >>>>>>>>>interest to a rational person. Physical evidence is not proof and   
   >>>>>>>>>has nothing to do with proof. For a thing to exist it must leave   
   >>>>>>>>>physical evidence, period. That is the nature of this reality.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>What additional physical evidence beyond the scientific fact of the   
   >>>>>>>>existence of the world is necessary?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>   You mean this dream of the sleeping Vishnu? Why would you choose   
   >>>>>>>a particular thing for it to mean?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>Huh?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>   Does the scientific fact that Shit Happens show  Loki exists?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>Wha?   
   >>   
   >>>>>   Are you really so ignorant of the varieties of religious belief and   
   >>>>>experience?   
   >>   
   >>>>No.  I just can't see any relevance to the conversation in   
   >>>>your comments about loki and vishnu.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>   Whatever you choose to believe, who told you what you believe and   
   >>>>>>>how did they know and why did you believe them?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>God is inherent in the human condition.  No one need be told that God   
   >>>>>>exists.  There's no escaping that fact.   
   >>   
   >>>>>   Physical evidence for that mere assertion please.   
   >>   
   >>>>Name one human being that has escaped having a concept of   
   >>>>God or gods.   
   >>   
   >>>>One? How about the majority of the Chinese? One billion Confucians?   
   >>   
   >>>The concept of a god is not necessary in Buddism either.   
   >>   
   >>Are you saying that Confucians and Buddhists are incapable   
   >>of contemplating the abstract?   
   >   
   >   
   > No   
   >   
   >>Excusing God from one's religion does not deter the mind   
   >>from asserting him.  Even denial of God's existence asserts   
   >>Him.  There is no way to rid the mind of the concept.   
   >>   
      
   >Whose mind?   
   >   
   >   
   > Cormac   
      
   All minds.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>Cormac.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to accept or reject Him.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   What happened to HER and THEM? And what use does a god have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>with a sexual identity? It dumber than tits on a boar.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Irrelevance suits you.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>   I am simply asking after this compulsion of yours to insist   
   >>>>>>>>>your insubstantial god has a penis and testosterone and XY   
   >>>>>>>>>chromosomes. You claimed it very openly. Why?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>If you can cite where I've said any such thing your a better man   
   >>>>>>>>than I am, Gunga Dim.  I never claimed that God is human in any   
   >>>>>>>>way.  God has no need of 'penis and testosterone and XY chromosomes'.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>   You quoted it yourself in the first >>>>> above.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to accept or reject Him.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>   Where does "him" upper or lower case come from?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>Its one way of out of countless millions for describing God.   
   >>   
   >>>>>   That is in the category of describing light as square. Using gender   
   >>>>>means there is sex involved, period.   
   >>   
   >>>>Arguing semantics is a waste of time.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>It just so happens that Scripture describes Him that way, as male   
   >>>>>>essence, not surprising from a patriarchal society.  The physical   
   >>>>>>properties you mention are irrelevant.   
   >>   
   >>>>>   You assume appear to assume they did not mean it literally. But in   
   >>>>>fact they also had the Goddess Ashara as his consort. Ashara is related   
   >>>>>to Ishtar and Aphrodite in the region. So your claim is nonsense. We   
   >>>>>even have very good reason to believe her temple was where now stands   
   >>>>>the Al Aqsa mosque. Your bible creators meant it literally. The Old   
   >>>>>Testament creators were polytheists and made no bones about it.   
   >>   
   >>>>Mind saying where you got the notion you expressed about   
   >>>>ashara being God's consort?   
   >>   
   >>>>I have one guide and on guide only; the Five Books of Moses   
   >>>>(Genesis - Deuteronomy).  There alone exists the word of   
   >>>>Moses' God.   Every word before and after that Book is the   
   >>>>fallible word of fallible men.  Further, if you take the   
   >>>>words in the Book literally you can't possibly understand it.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>This is a moral decision based on the strength of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>individual's dependence on their base desires.   Those who   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>accept God are prone to be discomforted by those lower desires   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>and would suppress them when they can.  Those who reject God   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>tend to feel discomforted when they are advised by conscience to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>put limits on expressing those same base desires freely at their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>own discretion.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   Other than the stuff a few perverts in 3rd c. BC Palestine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>invented as sins just what is a "base" desire and why?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>A base desire is on that goes against conscience.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>   Conscience is formed by the culture in which one lives. If   
   >>>>>>>>>there really were people who lived by the morality of the Old   
   >>>>>>>>>Testament the civilized people of the world would have destroyed   
   >>>>>>>>>them for their bestiality and their affront to civilization.   
   >>>>>>>>>   Should you ever read Acts you will discover Christians are   
   >>>>>>>>>prohibited from visiting brothels solely for the risk of incest   
   >>>>>>>>>with the children they sold to the brothels. Some conscience   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>Human societies are formed to thwart the influence of conscience.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>   And your evidence of that is what? Please be specific in your   
   >>>>>>>presentation of the physical evidence.   
   >>   
      
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