XPost: sci.archaeology, sci.astro, alt.messianic   
   From: Kenthz@comcast.net   
      
   Doug Weller wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:23:22 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr   
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   >>Doug Weller wrote:   
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   >>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:14:09 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr   
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   >>>>Doug Weller wrote:   
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   >>>>>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:23:50 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr   
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   >>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr   
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   >>>>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:35:55 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr   
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   >>>>>>>>>>Mark Isaak wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:57 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>Since fear of God (and God's punishment) is the reason many   
   atheists   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>reject God, yes, a night spent experiencing the supernatural would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>probably be a very terrifying night for such people.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>You are greatly ignornant on the subject of atheism.  Fear of God's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>punishment could be a reason for rejecting God, but rejecting God   
   does   
   >>>>>>>>>>>not equate to disbelieving in God.  In fact, one logically must   
   *not* be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>an atheist in order to believe in God enough to fear him.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, rejection of God can lead, over time, to   
   ignoring God,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>which can become a sort of atheism by default.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>On the third hand, fear of God's punishment is an extremely rare   
   reason   
   >>>>>>>>>>>for rejecting God.  At least, I have never heard of it happening.    
   A much   
   >>>>>>>>>>>more common reason for rejecting God is hatred of God for what he   
   has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>done.  Usually this happens when people who are raised to believe   
   that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>God is Good have bad things happen to them, despite their sincere   
   >>>>>>>>>>>prayers.  The God they were promised was demostrably not there.  Of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>course, the problem is more with the promises than with God, but   
   it's not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>like "God is good" is a fringe belief.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Getting back to atheism, there are three main reasons (that I know   
   of)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>why people choose it.  The first is similar to the above reason for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>rejecting God, except more impersonal.  The theists say that a God   
   has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>certain qualities which people can observe, those qualities are not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>observed, ergo God does not exist.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>The second is probably the most common.  Quite simply, there is no   
   reason   
   >>>>>>>>>>>philosophically to expect a god.  Yes, there are plenty of so-called   
   >>>>>>>>>>>proofs of God, but they were debunked centuries ago.  Today, they   
   are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>only used by the faithless to try to convince themselves.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>The third reason is the main reason why I became an athiest: the   
   theists   
   >>>>>>>>>>>showed me, by their words and actions, that atheism was the morally   
   >>>>>>>>>>>superior position.  Consider, for example, Nomen's quote: "I truly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>believe someone has to be insane not to believe in God the Creator   
   ..."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>I simply do not want to be around someone filled with as much   
   bigotry as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>he is.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>Note that I am not saying that these are good reasons, nor am I   
   trying to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>convince anyone.  I simply offer these observations in hopes that   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>help you understand atheists better.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>Atheists believe in God.  The belief is inherent in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>human condition... cognizance demands it.  There is no   
   >>>>>>>>>>choice in the matter.   
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   >>>>>>>>>What planet does this guy come from?   
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   >>>>>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to   
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   >>>>>>>>>>accept or reject Him.  This is a moral decision based on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>strength of the individual's dependence on their base   
   >>>>>>>>>>desires.   Those who accept God are prone to be discomforted   
   >>>>>>>>>>by those lower desires and would suppress them when they   
   >>>>>>>>>>can.  Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when   
   >>>>>>>>>>they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing   
   >>>>>>>>>>those same base desires freely at their own discretion.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism   
   >>>>>>>>>>that promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward   
   >>>>>>>>>>man's imagined perceptions of his own and the world's   
   >>>>>>>>>>fallibility.  Some religions make their deity so much like   
   >>>>>>>>>>themselves that their adherents see themselves as gods,   
   >>>>>>>>>>empowered by the convenient but false tenet of Relativism,   
   >>>>>>>>>>to do as they will regardless of any constraints imposed by   
   >>>>>>>>>>God's absolute morality.  Among the man is god religions is   
   >>>>>>>>>>the religion of Atheism.   
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   >>>>>>>>>That may be part of your belief system, but it isn't correct.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Explain this imagined 'incorrectness'?   
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   >>>>>>>There is no point. You have decided you know THE TRUTH and you   
   apparently   
   >>>>>>>haven't even seen the contradictions in your post above.   
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   >>>>>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get of the pot.   
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   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Get out of the pot? Get off the pot?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Does anyone here think this guy has the ability to admit anything he says   
   >>>>>is wrong?  He's stupid enough to be posting this stuff to an archaeology   
   >>>>>and an astronomy group, he's hardly likely to realize he's talking trash.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get off the pot.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>Post some archaeology to sci.arch and astronomy to sci.astro or admit   
   >>>you're a troll.   
   >>   
   >>In other words you are full of crap.   
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   >   
   > ROTFL.  The person full of crap is not the one asking for posters to   
   > sci.archaeology to post about archaeology and posters to sci.astronomy to   
      
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