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   From: ygursey@gmail.com   
      
   On Sep 8, 3:39 pm, gl...@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin) wrote:   
   > >>> It is about Moses.. he has horns too, remember?   
   >   
   > In article ,   
   >   
   > Agamemnon  wrote:   
   > >Moses was a Hebrew brought up in the house of Pharaoh. He spoke Hebrew in   
   > >the same way someone brought up in England would speak French or Greek, with   
   > >completely the wrong accent.   
   >   
   > If we're going here, when and where did the "historical Moses" learn   
   > Hebrew in the first place? What was the cultural role of the Hebrew   
   > language under the Egyptians: a cradle tongue, a subcultural dialect, more   
      
   there is evidence of speakers of a NW Semitic language spoken by   
   laborers in Pharaonic Egypt. the Hyksos may also have preserved their   
   Semitic tongue.   
      
   beyond that, Moses was probably a composite figure filled with   
   considerable imagination or did not exist at all. there is no evidence   
   of the Exodus as described in the Bible took place. it is probably a   
   moral allegory insipered by various events.   
      
   > of a class-bounded signifier of resistance or resignation? How   
   > difficult/transgressive was it for the "historical Moses" to pick it up?   
   >   
   > How did the "Hebrew" he might have learned resemble or differ from what   
   > they talk now in Tel Aviv?   
      
   Isaeli Hebrew is considerably different from Biblical Hebrew in that   
   it is considerably Europeanized, specifically under the influence of   
   Yiddish that was the native language of the revivalists. for example   
   Biblical Hebrew verbs tenses are that of aspect (completed action vs.   
   incompleted action) whereas Israeli Hebrew mimics the temporal   
   indicators of European languages. Biblical Hebrew is predominantly a   
   verb subject object (VSO) language. Israeli Hebrew mostly a SVO   
   language. it also differs from the Hebrew from the Masorites in   
   phonology and reconstructed Biblical Hebrew from that.   
      
   Hebrew at the time of Moses may even had case endings like Arabic.   
      
   the differences in Biblical Hebrew vs Masoretic Hebrew and Israeli   
   Hebrew were discussed by me and SolomoW considerably earlier.   
      
   >   
   > Please forgive my ignorance. Any answers are helpful.   
      
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