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   From: ygursey@gmail.com   
      
   On Sep 8, 4:08 pm, Yusuf B Gursey  wrote:   
   > On Sep 8, 3:39 pm, gl...@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin) wrote:   
   >   
   > > >>> It is about Moses.. he has horns too, remember?   
   >   
   > > In article ,   
   >   
   > > Agamemnon  wrote:   
   > > >Moses was a Hebrew brought up in the house of Pharaoh. He spoke Hebrew in   
   > > >the same way someone brought up in England would speak French or Greek,   
   with   
   > > >completely the wrong accent.   
   >   
   > > If we're going here, when and where did the "historical Moses" learn   
   > > Hebrew in the first place? What was the cultural role of the Hebrew   
   > > language under the Egyptians: a cradle tongue, a subcultural dialect, more   
   >   
   > there is evidence of speakers of a NW Semitic language spoken by   
   > laborers in Pharaonic Egypt. the Hyksos may also have preserved their   
   > Semitic tongue.   
   >   
   > beyond that, Moses was probably a composite figure filled with   
   > considerable imagination or did not exist at all. there is no evidence   
   > of the Exodus as described in the Bible took place. it is probably a   
   > moral allegory insipered by various events.   
   >   
   > > of a class-bounded signifier of resistance or resignation? How   
   > > difficult/transgressive was it for the "historical Moses" to pick it up?   
   >   
   > > How did the "Hebrew" he might have learned resemble or differ from what   
   > > they talk now in Tel Aviv?   
   >   
   > Isaeli Hebrew is considerably different from Biblical Hebrew in that   
   > it is considerably Europeanized, specifically under the influence of   
   > Yiddish that was the native language of the revivalists. for example   
   > Biblical Hebrew verbs tenses are that of aspect (completed action vs.   
   > incompleted action) whereas Israeli Hebrew mimics the temporal   
   > indicators of European languages. Biblical Hebrew is predominantly a   
   > verb subject object (VSO) language. Israeli Hebrew mostly a SVO   
   > language. it also differs from the Hebrew from the Masorites in   
   > phonology and reconstructed Biblical Hebrew from that.   
   >   
   > Hebrew at the time of Moses may even had case endings like Arabic.   
      
   Classical Arabic, surviving as Standard Arabic that is,   
      
   >   
   > the differences in Biblical Hebrew vs Masoretic Hebrew and Israeli   
   > Hebrew were discussed by me and SolomoW considerably earlier.   
   >   
      
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