XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.bible, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: talk.atheism   
   From: FreeTheJWS@this.NG   
      
   "Steven J."  wrote in message   
   news:10cjdd36nkgn551@corp.supernews.com...   
   >   
   > "Flower Power"  wrote in message   
   > > So all the animals, birds and other critters built their own ships and   
   > plans   
   > > and went to Noah? Why are you avoiding the questions regarding the many   
   > tons   
   > > of water, waste and food for the millions of creatures on board the ark?   
   > > Note: There are billions of insects alone he would have had to save -   
   > along   
   > > with all the different foods such insects ate. Thousands of birds and   
   > > reptiles - and all their different foods.   
   ==============================   
   > Sometime in the last 40 years -- I'm not sure when, exactly --   
   creationists   
   > decided that new species could arise from old ones.  Evolution (they often   
   > prefer to call it "variation," or at best "microevolution") can produce,   
   > e.g. lions and tigers from an ur-pantherine, or even lions and housecats   
   > from an ur-felid, but can't produce a species of a different "kind" (your   
   > more pretentious creationists prefer the term "baramin") than the   
   ancestor.   
   > Thus Noah didn't have to keep representatives of several million   
   > land-dwelling *species* (living and fossil) aboard the Ark.   
      
   ## How absurd!  Most of the fundies in the South where I live absolutely   
   refuse to even consider any form of evolution or "change."   If the bible   
   said 2 to 7 of each living things - then by CRACKY that's what was on the   
   ark.   
   So now some fundies are claiming all Noah needed was 2 cats and in only a   
   *few years* they someone evolved into lions, panthers, tigers etc?  That's   
   outrageous!   :-D  LOL!!!   I guess one "kind" of fly suddenly became   
   millions of different bugs and insects, all within a few years.   
      
   > All he had to do was keep two of one species of each "kind" (seven, for   
   > clean "kinds").  How many different "kinds" there are is of course an   
   > unsettled question, but few YECs would put the number above 30,000 or so.   
      
   ## Do you realize how much food that many critters would eat in a day?  And   
   as I mentioned before - what kind of machinery did they have to remove the   
   animal's waste products and ventilate the ark?   
      
   > Some YECs do, in fact, deny that the ancestors of the insect "kinds" "have   
   > the breath of life in their nostrils" and would have been included in the   
   > complement of the Ark (rather, they survived the Flood -- or presumably in   
   > the case of some "kinds" went extinct in it -- by floating on random bits   
   of   
   > flotsam and debris, presumably holding little tiny umbrellas over their   
   > heads).   
      
   ##  They mush have had little fishing poles as well to catch fish for   
   dinner.  ;-)   
      
   > After the Flood, the ancestral pair (or three pairs) of each "kind"   
   rapidly   
   > diversified, giving rise to various numbers of diverse descendant species.   
      
   ##  All within months.....   
      
   > Exactly how fast and how far this "microevolution" proceeded is a subject   
   on   
   > which creationists don't come to a clear consensus.  Virtually all hold   
   that   
   > species commonly placed in the same genus are of the same "kind," and,   
   > except for humans and other hominids like australopiths, chimps, and   
   > gorillas, most have no objection to including entire Linnaean families in   
   > the same "kind."   
   >   
   > Those who don't deny that the horse series is evidence for evolution   
   > routinely hold that it shows "microevolution" within a single "kind" --   
   > _Hyracotherium_ sauntered off the Ark, and within a few centuries gave   
   rise   
   > not merely to zebras, donkeys, horses, etc. but to all the various four-   
   and   
   > three-toed fossil equids.  Or, since  _Hyracotherium_ is more like   
   > _Hyrarchus_ (usually identified as the ancestor or sister group of modern   
   > rhinos and tapirs), perhaps all the perissodactyls, living and extinct,   
   are   
   > descendants (diversifying within a matter of several centuries) from a   
   > single pair of ur-perissodactyls aboard the Ark.   
      
   ## They're really REACHING now......   LOL!!!   
      
   > Baraminology is more fun than a barrel of monkeys (who may be all one   
   > "kind," or may be two or three "kinds," but are definitely not the same   
   > "kind" as humans).   
   --   
   Finzy Onne....   
   "We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing   
   lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So   
   primitive   
   and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people   
   and   
   guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"   
        -= Paul Provenza =-   
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)