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   From: tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net   
      
   JISTASKKIN wrote:   
      
   > "Raymond Griffith"  wrote in message   
   > news:jN-dnTB05ulr4FbdRVn-tA@ctc.net...   
   >   
   >>prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In talk.atheism JISTASKKIN  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>"Finza Flowin"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:K-6dnSC3lpHPoFfdRVn-hA@heartoftn.net...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>"Grendel"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:L4kyc.8483$lN.5578@edtnps84...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>If an Egyptian pyramid was described in the same manner as the Ark and   
   >>>>>>we had no physical remains to examine, you could attempt the exact   
   >>>>>>argument   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>** WRONG!  A pyramid wasn't given credit for carrying millions of   
   >   
   > living   
   >   
   >>>>>creatures for months,   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>Estimates place the number of animals to about ~50,000,  the average   
   >   
   > size of   
   >   
   >>>>a sheep.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>And 8 people are going to care for, feed, clean up after 50,000 animals   
   >   
   > with   
   >   
   >>>no modern equipment, etc? Yeah, right.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>over stormy seas with enough food and water, including   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>their specialized diets   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>No reason to think the conditions were stormy all the time and in every   
   >>>>location, besides, the Ark was built to float, not sail around. It's a   
   >>>>proven fact animals can make do with what is available.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>Do you know how much food and water an animal the size of a sheep takes   
   >   
   > in a   
   >   
   >>>year? A herbavore like a sheep can eat 10-15 pounds of hay a day. That's   
   >   
   > a   
   >   
   >>>volume of around 1/2 cubic foot or there-abouts. So that means you'd   
   >   
   > need   
   >   
   >>>180 cubic feet of feed per animal. So now you have a cube almost 6 foot   
   >>>square per animal just for the feed. so we've got 50,000 animals that   
   >   
   > need a   
   >   
   >>>cage about 2'x5'x3' (and that's EXTREMELY cramped) as well as 6'x6'x6'   
   >   
   > of   
   >   
   >>>feed. Also water would be around 2 quarts a day min. So that's about   
   >   
   > another   
   >   
   >>>24 cubic feet per animal. Thus far we've got each animal taking up   
   >   
   > 30+180+24   
   >   
   >>>or 234 cubic feet. That's a total of 11,700,000 cubic feet or a space   
   >>>227'x227'x227' in size. Now the ark was in cubits, which we aren't sure   
   >   
   > the   
   >   
   >>>exact size of but it's around 1-1/2 feet. So the ark would have been   
   >>>450'x75'x45' which is only 1,518,750 cubic feet (or about 1/10 the size   
   >>>needed.) Even if you leave out the need for food and water, you barely   
   >   
   > have   
   >   
   >>>the 30 cubic feet just for the animal itself.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>- then landing in stinking muck, rotting vegetation   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>and corpses,... and everything going back to "normal."  It's absurd to   
   >>>>   
   >>>>even   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>make the comparison.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>Not really, the analogy is quite good.  The mechanics of how the   
   >   
   > pyramids   
   >   
   >>>>were built is a mystery.  Clearly that ancient civilization possessed a   
   >>>>number of advanced skills to build them.  We still don't know how it was   
   >>>>done.  The same could be said of the Ark.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>So they had advanced skills that let them feed the animals after landing   
   >>>when there was no food available but rotting corpses and plants?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>to try and explain why they were just a myth and never existed.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Evidence found in many cultures throughout the world strongly indicate   
   >>>>>>some form of the Biblical account of the Flood and Ark did occur.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>** No one ever claimed a flood didn't happen in ancient times.  Floods   
   >>>>   
   >>>>have   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>always occurred.  You can be sure a certain number of people loaded   
   >   
   > their   
   >   
   >>>>>livestock in whatever boat, raft, ark or ship was available to save   
   >>>>>themselves - every time there was a bad flood.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Anyone who equates the account to mythology has not done their   
   >   
   > homework.   
   >   
   >>>>>**  And those of us who did do our homework realize how impossible the   
   >>>>>biblical story of Noah and his ark are.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>Considering the planet is 70% covered by water, it's not a stretch at   
   >   
   > all.   
   >   
   >>>>And mounds of evidence is available to back it, starting with huge mixed   
   >>>>fossils deposits found in what could only be described by rapid burial.   
   >>>>Evidence like that  is found all over the earth.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>There IS? You've found places where there's modern man mixed with   
   >   
   > dinosaur   
   >   
   >>>fossils? Have you reported this to the press? This is amazing   
   >>>news!!!!!   
   >>>   
   >>>> "A week's study of the Grand Canyon should be a good cure for   
   >   
   > Evolutionary   
   >   
   >>>>geologists as it is a perfect example of Flood geology with its   
   >>>>paraconformities and striking parallelisms of the under strata.   
   >>>>The whole area was obviously laid down quickly, then uplifted and then   
   >   
   > the   
   >   
   >>>>whole sedimentary area split open like a rotten watermelon."   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>    Albert W. Mehlert,   
   >>>>Paleoanthropology researcher "Diluviology & Uniformitarian Geology -- A   
   >>>>Review"   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>The author obviously doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>I wouldn't expect that he would. Please note that he is not accorded a   
   >>title, like "Dr.", but is simply a "Paleoanthropology researcher".   
   >>*ANYBODY* could be a paleoanthropology researcher if they researched the   
   >>topic.   
   >>   
   >>Also please note that the publication is conveniently left out. Mehlert   
   >>publishes in creationist papers, like the CRS Quarterly (Creation   
   >>Research Science).   
   >>   
   >>Of course, in one place I looked him up he was titled "Former   
   >>Evolutionist" -- but that means nothing. Anyone can claim that sort of   
   >>thing.   
   >>   
   >>I would say that those who believe in a world flood are sincere -- but   
   >>have probably not studied the topic sufficiently to understand the   
   >>difficulties involved. Those Creation "scientists" who have a good   
   >>understanding of science -- but fudge, distort, or lie about it to fit   
   >>their religious viewpoints are guilty of fraud.   
   >   
   >   
   > Of course if you wanted to discredit the Bible, you would want to discredit   
   > what it teaches.  So yes, if your intention is to undermine scripture, you   
   > obviously would not believe what it says about the Flood.  Just as advocates   
   > of same sex marriage would try to discredit what scripture teaches on that   
   > subject.  This is not new, man has been rebelling from day one.  It all   
   > comes down to whose authority you will submit to.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>Unfortunately, fraud is not the sole province of the leaders of the   
      
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