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   From: End-WT-tyranny@this.NG   
      
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   > In talk.atheism JISTASKKIN  wrote:   
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   > > "Finza Flowin"  wrote in message   
   > > news:K-6dnSC3lpHPoFfdRVn-hA@heartoftn.net...   
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   > >> "Grendel"  wrote in message   
   > >> news:L4kyc.8483$lN.5578@edtnps84...   
   > >> > If an Egyptian pyramid was described in the same manner as the Ark   
   and   
   > >> > we had no physical remains to examine, you could attempt the exact   
   > >> > argument   
   > >>   
   > >> ** WRONG!  A pyramid wasn't given credit for carrying millions of   
   living   
   > >> creatures for months,   
   >   
   > > Estimates place the number of animals to about ~50,000,  the average   
   size of   
   > > a sheep.   
   >   
   > And 8 people are going to care for, feed, clean up after 50,000 animals   
   with   
   > no modern equipment, etc? Yeah, right.   
   >   
   > > over stormy seas with enough food and water, including   
   > >> their specialized diets   
   >   
   > > No reason to think the conditions were stormy all the time and in every   
   > > location, besides, the Ark was built to float, not sail around. It's a   
   > > proven fact animals can make do with what is available.   
   >   
   > Do you know how much food and water an animal the size of a sheep takes in   
   a   
   > year? A herbavore like a sheep can eat 10-15 pounds of hay a day. That's a   
   > volume of around 1/2 cubic foot or there-abouts. So that means you'd need   
   > 180 cubic feet of feed per animal. So now you have a cube almost 6 foot   
   > square per animal just for the feed. so we've got 50,000 animals that need   
   a   
   > cage about 2'x5'x3' (and that's EXTREMELY cramped) as well as 6'x6'x6' of   
   > feed. Also water would be around 2 quarts a day min. So that's about   
   another   
   > 24 cubic feet per animal. Thus far we've got each animal taking up   
   30+180+24   
   > or 234 cubic feet. That's a total of 11,700,000 cubic feet or a space   
   > 227'x227'x227' in size. Now the ark was in cubits, which we aren't sure   
   the   
   > exact size of but it's around 1-1/2 feet. So the ark would have been   
   > 450'x75'x45' which is only 1,518,750 cubic feet (or about 1/10 the size   
   > needed.) Even if you leave out the need for food and water, you barely   
   have   
   > the 30 cubic feet just for the animal itself.   
      
   ##  And that's where the MAGIC comes in for the creationists.  Somehow the   
   animals were packed in like sardines.  They didn't eat, drink or pass any   
   waste matter for the months onboard the ark.  They were in suspended   
   animation. God did it.   
      
   > > - then landing in stinking muck, rotting vegetation   
   > >> and corpses,... and everything going back to "normal."  It's absurd to   
   > > even   
   > >> make the comparison.   
      
   > > Not really, the analogy is quite good.  The mechanics of how the   
   pyramids   
   > > were built is a mystery.  Clearly that ancient civilization possessed a   
   > > number of advanced skills to build them.  We still don't know how it was   
   > > done.  The same could be said of the Ark.   
      
   > So they had advanced skills that let them feed the animals after landing   
   > when there was no food available but rotting corpses and plants?   
      
   ## Again MAGIC comes in - the animals (and 8 people) didn't need to eat or   
   drink when the ark landed.  They just all hung out until whatever seeds   
   survived the flood took root and started to grow - God did it!   
      
   > > Considering the planet is 70% covered by water, it's not a stretch at   
   all.   
   > > And mounds of evidence is available to back it, starting with huge mixed   
   > > fossils deposits found in what could only be described by rapid burial.   
   > > Evidence like that  is found all over the earth.   
      
   > There IS? You've found places where there's modern man mixed with dinosaur   
   > fossils? Have you reported this to the press? This is amazing   
   > news!!!!!   
      
   ## Many fundies don't believe the dinosaurs ever existed - or believe they   
   only lasted a few years.  You wouldn't believe what some of them claim.  The   
   Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Satan created the fossils to fool man into   
   believing in evolution.  But the JWs also claim only Jehovah can create   
   anything....   go figure!   
      
   > >   "A week's study of the Grand Canyon should be a good cure for   
   Evolutionary   
   > > geologists as it is a perfect example of Flood geology with its   
   > > paraconformities and striking parallelisms of the under strata.   
   > > The whole area was obviously laid down quickly, then uplifted and then   
   the   
   > > whole sedimentary area split open like a rotten watermelon."   
   >   
   > >      Albert W. Mehlert,   
   > > Paleoanthropology researcher "Diluviology & Uniformitarian Geology -- A   
   > > Review"   
   >   
   > The author obviously doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about.   
      
   ##  Anyone can write a book.......   
   --   
   Finzy...   
   "We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing   
   lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So   
   primitive   
   and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people   
   and   
   guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"   
        -= Paul Provenza =-   
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