XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.bible, alt.talk.creationism
XPost: talk.atheism
In talk.atheism JISTASKKIN wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:nqKyc.42$I%4.4@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> In talk.atheism JISTASKKIN wrote:
>>
>> > "Finza Flowin" wrote in message
>> > news:K-6dnSC3lpHPoFfdRVn-hA@heartoftn.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Grendel" wrote in message
>> >> news:L4kyc.8483$lN.5578@edtnps84...
>> >> > If an Egyptian pyramid was described in the same manner as the Ark
> and
>> >> > we had no physical remains to examine, you could attempt the exact
>> >> > argument
>> >>
>> >> ** WRONG! A pyramid wasn't given credit for carrying millions of
> living
>> >> creatures for months,
>>
>> > Estimates place the number of animals to about ~50,000, the average
> size of
>> > a sheep.
>>
>> And 8 people are going to care for, feed, clean up after 50,000 animals
> with
>> no modern equipment, etc? Yeah, right.
> Proper planning would have easily accounted for that activity. For instance,
> a rotational feeding schedule with the supplies in handy areas.
> And of course, during this time, many animals would require far less food
> because of reduced activity.
OoooooooooK. Lets' see...hmmmm....50,000 animals divided by 8 people gives
you 6250 animals/person. If you spent 5 mins taking care of each animal during
each cycle, you'd get 288 animals done per day (assuming you worked 24/7.)
So you'd come back to any given animal every 21 days. Any feed left for that
long in the cage would be covered with feces long before that time was up.
>>
>> > over stormy seas with enough food and water, including
>> >> their specialized diets
>>
>> > No reason to think the conditions were stormy all the time and in every
>> > location, besides, the Ark was built to float, not sail around. It's a
>> > proven fact animals can make do with what is available.
>>
>> Do you know how much food and water an animal the size of a sheep takes in
> a
>> year? A herbavore like a sheep can eat 10-15 pounds of hay a day.
> These animals would require far less because of limited activity. And
> during inclement weather, animals tend to sleep much more than usual.
That amount of feed is assuming limited activity already.
> That's a
>> volume of around 1/2 cubic foot or there-abouts. So that means you'd need
>> 180 cubic feet of feed per animal. So now you have a cube almost 6 foot
>> square per animal just for the feed. so we've got 50,000 animals that need
> a
>> cage about 2'x5'x3' (and that's EXTREMELY cramped) as well as 6'x6'x6' of
>> feed. Also water would be around 2 quarts a day min. So that's about
> another
>> 24 cubic feet per animal. Thus far we've got each animal taking up
> 30+180+24
>> or 234 cubic feet. That's a total of 11,700,000 cubic feet or a space
>> 227'x227'x227' in size. Now the ark was in cubits, which we aren't sure
> the
>> exact size of but it's around 1-1/2 feet. So the ark would have been
>> 450'x75'x45' which is only 1,518,750 cubic feet (or about 1/10 the size
>> needed.) Even if you leave out the need for food and water, you barely
> have
>> the 30 cubic feet just for the animal itself.
> No, you need to account for the conditions. Even less than generous
> calculations have shown room is not a problem.
The above calculations were NOT generous at all. They barely allow the
animal room enough to stand in. You'd BARELY have enough room for just the
animals. You wouldn't have had any room for feed.
>>
>> > - then landing in stinking muck, rotting vegetation
>> >> and corpses,... and everything going back to "normal." It's absurd to
>> > even
>> >> make the comparison.
>>
>> > Not really, the analogy is quite good. The mechanics of how the
> pyramids
>> > were built is a mystery. Clearly that ancient civilization possessed a
>> > number of advanced skills to build them. We still don't know how it was
>> > done. The same could be said of the Ark.
>>
>> So they had advanced skills that let them feed the animals after landing
>> when there was no food available but rotting corpses and plants?
> They were on the Ark long enough to allow new vegetation to grow in the
> local area. Remember, they landed on a relatively high area. Also huge mats
> of floating debris composed of trees and stuff would have lots to scrumage
> on to get by.
Animals aren't going to eat waterlogged vegetation. Also it takes more than
a year to re-grow vegetation to the point that would be needed for many of
the animals. And you still haven't answered what the carnivoures ate.
>>
>> >>
>> >> to try and explain why they were just a myth and never existed.
>> >> > Evidence found in many cultures throughout the world strongly
> indicate
>> >> > some form of the Biblical account of the Flood and Ark did occur.
>> >>
>> >> ** No one ever claimed a flood didn't happen in ancient times. Floods
>> > have
>> >> always occurred. You can be sure a certain number of people loaded
> their
>> >> livestock in whatever boat, raft, ark or ship was available to save
>> >> themselves - every time there was a bad flood.
>> >>
>> >> > Anyone who equates the account to mythology has not done their
> homework.
>> >>
>> >> ** And those of us who did do our homework realize how impossible the
>> >> biblical story of Noah and his ark are.
>>
>> > Considering the planet is 70% covered by water, it's not a stretch at
> all.
>> > And mounds of evidence is available to back it, starting with huge mixed
>> > fossils deposits found in what could only be described by rapid burial.
>> > Evidence like that is found all over the earth.
>>
>> There IS? You've found places where there's modern man mixed with dinosaur
>> fossils? Have you reported this to the press? This is amazing
>> news!!!!!
> I understand your skepticism, you have only been shown one side of the
> interpretation of the evidence.
No, I've studied both sides (the real side and your made-up fiction.)
>>
>> > "A week's study of the Grand Canyon should be a good cure for
> Evolutionary
>> > geologists as it is a perfect example of Flood geology with its
>> > paraconformities and striking parallelisms of the under strata.
>> > The whole area was obviously laid down quickly, then uplifted and then
> the
>> > whole sedimentary area split open like a rotten watermelon."
>>
>> > Albert W. Mehlert,
>> > Paleoanthropology researcher "Diluviology & Uniformitarian Geology -- A
>> > Review"
>>
>> The author obviously doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about.
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