XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.bible, alt.talk.creationism
XPost: talk.atheism
In talk.atheism Pastor Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:18:11 GMT,
> prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com posted thusly:
>>> Estimates place the number of animals to about ~50,000, the average size
of
>>> a sheep.
>>
>>And 8 people are going to care for, feed, clean up after 50,000 animals with
>>no modern equipment, etc? Yeah, right.
> The estimate isn't that high.
Then what IS the estimate?
> But that is irrelevant.
Yes, it's very relevant.
>>> over stormy seas with enough food and water, including
>>>> their specialized diets
>>
>>> No reason to think the conditions were stormy all the time and in every
>>> location, besides, the Ark was built to float, not sail around. It's a
>>> proven fact animals can make do with what is available.
>>
>>Do you know how much food and water an animal the size of a sheep takes in a
>>year? A herbavore like a sheep can eat 10-15 pounds of hay a day. That's a
>>volume of around 1/2 cubic foot or there-abouts. So that means you'd need
>>180 cubic feet of feed per animal. So now you have a cube almost 6 foot
>>square per animal just for the feed. so we've got 50,000 animals that need a
>>cage about 2'x5'x3' (and that's EXTREMELY cramped) as well as 6'x6'x6' of
>>feed. Also water would be around 2 quarts a day min. So that's about another
>>24 cubic feet per animal. Thus far we've got each animal taking up 30+180+24
>>or 234 cubic feet. That's a total of 11,700,000 cubic feet or a space
>>227'x227'x227' in size. Now the ark was in cubits, which we aren't sure the
>>exact size of but it's around 1-1/2 feet. So the ark would have been
>>450'x75'x45' which is only 1,518,750 cubic feet (or about 1/10 the size
>>needed.) Even if you leave out the need for food and water, you barely have
>>the 30 cubic feet just for the animal itself.
> Your argument assume a lot of things as fact, that are
> not fact. You assume that none of them hibernated.
Most animals don't hibernate.
> You also assume they were all adults. All you need is
> two babies. Just make sure to get a pink one and a
> blue one.
I'mm simply going based on what he gave me (the average size of a sheep,
etc.) Also many animals will grow to almost full grown or even have several
generations of babies during the period of a year. So even if you got
newborns you'd still have a lot of adults at the end.
>>> - then landing in stinking muck, rotting vegetation
>>>> and corpses,... and everything going back to "normal." It's absurd to
>>> even
>>>> make the comparison.
>>
>>> Not really, the analogy is quite good. The mechanics of how the pyramids
>>> were built is a mystery. Clearly that ancient civilization possessed a
>>> number of advanced skills to build them. We still don't know how it was
>>> done. The same could be said of the Ark.
>>
>>So they had advanced skills that let them feed the animals after landing
>>when there was no food available but rotting corpses and plants?
> Food would have started growing. Did you not read the
> account and check the timing?
Yes. The water covered the earth for 150 days (close to 1/2 year.) After 10
months, the mountain tops were visible. They emerged afer 12 months. So
there was still water over most of the land up till at least 2 months before
they left the ark. The plains (where the people and animals would wind up
living) wouldn't have been dry until about the time they left the ark (based
on the rate of water receeding.) Not much would have grown in just a few
days or weeks that there was between the time of the last of the water
leaving the land and the time of leaving the ark.
Have YOU read the account and checked the timing? Obviously not.
>>>> to try and explain why they were just a myth and never existed.
>>>> > Evidence found in many cultures throughout the world strongly indicate
>>>> > some form of the Biblical account of the Flood and Ark did occur.
>>>>
>>>> ** No one ever claimed a flood didn't happen in ancient times. Floods
>>> have
>>>> always occurred. You can be sure a certain number of people loaded their
>>>> livestock in whatever boat, raft, ark or ship was available to save
>>>> themselves - every time there was a bad flood.
>>>>
>>>> > Anyone who equates the account to mythology has not done their homework.
>>>>
>>>> ** And those of us who did do our homework realize how impossible the
>>>> biblical story of Noah and his ark are.
>>
>>> Considering the planet is 70% covered by water, it's not a stretch at all.
>>> And mounds of evidence is available to back it, starting with huge mixed
>>> fossils deposits found in what could only be described by rapid burial.
>>> Evidence like that is found all over the earth.
>>
>>There IS? You've found places where there's modern man mixed with dinosaur
>>fossils? Have you reported this to the press? This is amazing
>>news!!!!!
> I don't recall anyone finding human fossils mixed with
> chicken fossils. Does that mean they don't live at the
> same time?
Then you haven't read much. They've found them in the same age rocks. They
have NOT found human fossils in 90myo rocks or dinosaur fossils in 500,000yo
rocks.
>>> "A week's study of the Grand Canyon should be a good cure for
Evolutionary
>>> geologists as it is a perfect example of Flood geology with its
>>> paraconformities and striking parallelisms of the under strata.
>>> The whole area was obviously laid down quickly, then uplifted and then the
>>> whole sedimentary area split open like a rotten watermelon."
>>
>>> Albert W. Mehlert,
>>> Paleoanthropology researcher "Diluviology & Uniformitarian Geology -- A
>>> Review"
>>
>>The author obviously doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about.
> Gee, now there's a solid, scientific refutation.
No, that was just a solid noting of the facts. No refutation was intended
since that quote has been refuted time and time again and I just didn't feel
like repeating it.
--
Mike
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