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   From: dalton@nfld.com   
      
   On Jul 12, 2021, David Dalton wrote   
   (in article<0001HW.269C0D6400412F8670000760D38F@news.eternal-september.org>):   
      
   > I seem to recall reading somewhere that Jacob was   
   > associated with ravens. Is that correct. Of course   
      
   Oops, I obviously missed a “?” after “correct”.   
   I really should proofread before I post.   
      
   > I also know of Noah’s first sending out a raven   
   > before the dove.   
   >   
   > I associate the raven with new (dark) moon and   
   > thus perhaps the dove could be a fat waxing   
   > crescent (so I hope for global peace at the   
   > coming fat waxing crescent).   
   >   
   > The raven is also associated with Odin, Lleu/Lugh/Lugos,   
   > the Morrigan, and the Haida creation story of   
   > The Raven and the First Men.   
   >   
   > Also I remember the story of Jacob’s Blessings   
   > to the tribes. This is generally assumed to   
   > have occurred at the end of his life, but is there   
   > any evidence it occurred earlier, though still   
   > fairly late in his life?   
   >   
   > And I take the story of Jacob wrestling with an   
   > angel or with God to mean he negotiated   
   > late at night with God, perhaps such that   
   > God enforced those Blessings/binding.   
      
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   This is hard rock and water/Out here between wind and flame/   
   Between tears and elation/Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)   
      
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