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   Message 274 of 1,939   
   Larry Swain to Christopher Kreuzer   
   Re: Tolkien's SILMARILLION   
   05 Sep 04 11:28:03   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: theswain@operamail.com   
      
   Christopher Kreuzer wrote:   
   >   
   > Larry Caldwell  wrote:   
   > > Odysseus wrote:   
   >   
      
   I have to agree with Chris on this one.  I find it extremely   
   unlikely that Tolkien, an Edwardian Englishman and don at Oxford   
   with an extremely strong Catholic faith was in the 20s and 30s   
   aware of, much less familiar with the Zohar.   
      
   Rather, I think there are things that Tolkien would have been   
   intimately familiar with that combined to give Tolkien the   
   idea.  Christianity at about the same time as the Zohar is being   
   developed also developed the idea of a "tree" illuminating the   
   whole world--the cross, and there are indeed Anglo-Saxon and   
   Latin poems and hymns that express this idea in just those   
   terms.  It is a small leap to go from this tree giving spiritual   
   "light" to physical light.  Second, in Genesis already before   
   the creation of the sun, moon, and stars, there is a distinction   
   between night and day.  A little speculation on how that is   
   distinguished in Genesis WITHOUT the presence of the sun etc   
   might lead someone who loved trees and plants to make an   
   association with plant life and light.  Finally, it is not   
   uncommon to believe and note that plants give off their own kind   
   of light.  Put these items into the cauldron of story, anf   
   voila, I think out pops the 2 Trees.   
      
   On another note, the statement about Lucifer/Earendil is   
   misleading.  Lucifer the name literally does mean "light bearer"   
   so in that sense is apt for Earendil, but the name is also given   
   to two other figures which does not fit Earendil at all: Satan   
   and Jesus.  So I'd be wary of using the name as a description of   
   Earendil.  CHris is quite right that Tolkien borrowed it from   
   Cynewulf.   
      
   ljs   
      
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