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   XPost: alt.psychology   
   From: Ye@h.Right   
      
   "Rufio"  wrote in message   
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   > "Lefty"  wrote in message   
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   > > It would be very easy to prove that psychology does not meet the   
   criteria   
   > of   
   > > a science. It is also neccesary to accept most psychological findings on   
   > > "faith", since most psychological findings cannot be proven.   
   > >   
   >   
   > It is not neccesary to accept most psychological findings on "faith" - (I   
   > assume you mean theories or - rather than findings). The theories are a   
   > coherent set of inter-related concepts, that allow qualitative deductions   
   to   
   > be made.   
      
      
   If you sell me a gallon of milk, or a pound of beef, I can put it on the   
   scale and see for myself how much I've got.   
      
   But in Psychology, there are no measurements of anything, and if someone   
   makes a statement it must be accepted on "faith".   
      
      
   > > Religion also requires "faith" in an unseen God.   
   > >   
   >   
   > Only Deism requires faith in some sort of god - seen or unseen. other   
   > religions do not.   
   >   
   > > So, it our secular society, psychology has supplanted the church as the   
   > > primary organ of shamanism.   
   > >   
   > > My question is very straightforward - since psychology is therefore a   
   type   
   > > of religion, why is there no separation of church and state when it   
   comes   
   > to   
   > > psychology ?   
   >   
   > Assuming you are in the US & talking about the US constitution &   
   especially   
   > the first amendment. The constitution does NOT contain ANYTHING requiring   
   > separation of church & state - that's an urban legend. All the first   
   > amendment does is to prevent any law being passed regarding religion - it   
   > says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,   
   or   
   > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,   
   > or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to   
   > petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".   
      
      
   The separation of church and state in the US is a sociopolitical doctrine   
   which is considered important and much fuss is made of it.   
      
      
   >  I was going to respond to some of your other comments - but I'll leave   
   that   
   > to someone better qualified (perhaps someone on alt.psychology might   
   > respond).   
   >   
   > My only question - were you kicked out of Psych 101 before or after lunch   
   on   
   > day 1 ?   
   >   
   > Sorry - my next question - in view of the original subject of this   
   thread -   
   > do you believe in Astrology but not Psychology ?   
      
      
   I am not a big fan of either psychology or astrology. In my eyes they are   
   equal. Neither is more or less valid then the other, and they both operate   
   in much the same fashion.   
      
   To be honest, astrology has been around for thousands of years as opposed to   
   psychology which has a very short history. Not that this resolves anything,   
   but it is instructive.   
      
   I am a huge fan of astronomy, but I doubt that many folks around here would   
   be all too interested in that, hydrogen and helium and what not.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)