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   From: telos@bigpond.com   
      
   "Pastor Dave"  wrote in message   
   news:7nvfa09t8to7d9ppcd269c9u28kk17cb15@4ax.com...   
   You have said basically nothing.  Instead, you have   
   chosen to insult me, without being able to refute my   
   statements.  The fact is, that people got married and   
   sex outside of marriage in a sin.  God ordained   
   marriage and there is nothing in what I said that you   
   can demonstrate to be in error.   
      
   QOLON NOTE:   
   I don't recall having insulted you, beyond stating truisms.  Would you call   
   "you're nuts" insulting?   
      
   I do recall having said in discussion threads in which you participated and   
   responded to, that "Speaking of enigmas or oxymorons, the notion of   
   premarital sex as   
   gamagenesis {sexual reproduction; ie. 'marriage' + 'origin / creation'} is   
   one!" [14 May 2004 7:56 AM]   
      
   I clarified tis further at [14 May 2004 8:22 AM] but suggesting that "The   
   knowledge-ginosko of God is curiously a Greek term frequently expressed by   
   the Hebrew Torah teacher and Christian Apostle Paul, who uses it in his   
   analogies on unfaithfulness to covenant participation, by both the Jews and   
   the Greeks [Romans 3:9-20]: "...having the form of knowledge and truth in   
   the law. You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You   
   who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? You who say, 'Do not   
   commit adultery,' You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who make your   
   boast in the law, do you dishonour God through breaking the law? For 'The   
   name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,' as it is   
   written." [Romans 2:(20)-24]   
      
   It nevertheless retains its Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a   
   man and a woman [1 Corinthians 7:1-7] and this is contrasted to the   
   Pythagorean belief "...that reason, in virtue of its knowledge of virtue,   
   also controls moral action, is made clear in the metaphor of the helmsman.   
   As in the microcosm, man, so in the universe there rules as king of heaven   
   and earth (alethivos kai theios nous). In intercourse and marriage with pure   
   being (to auti autos) man brings forth nous and aletheia (truth) [1 John   
   5:20]. With his insight that consciousness of God rests in reason, the   
   supreme function of man's spiritual life, Plato contributed to the religious   
   philosophy of antiquity one of its most fruitful concepts." [KITTEL 1995   
   IV:954]   
      
   And that "Torah theology is distinct and related to a retort to such occult   
   and hieroglyphic forms of Priapism as Baal-Poer deification {ie. the god of   
   procreation} as offences against gamogenesis as occult hymenealism {ie as   
   god of marriage}" [12 May 2004 8:57 PM]   
      
   I also gave a detailed treatise on what that actually meant {ie. as   
   astrological male and female divinities being SPIRITUAL-pneumatikos   
   WICKEDNESS-porneia in the HEAVENS-epouranios as the a Christian Gospel}, as   
   the origin and basis of mythical claims to theology and the nature and   
   regulative philosophy, which you found too laborious to read:   
      
   It's distinction is not between heterosexuality/gamogeneity v's   
   homosexuality/homogeneity {ie. let brotherly-philadelphia love-philadelphia   
   continue-meno [1Thessalonians 4:3-9; Hebrews 13:1]]} but of the fidelity of   
   Hebrew/Greek Christianity to the Gospel and of which the forefathers gave   
   witness [Psalm 78:1-8] to that of the infidelity of idolatrous pagan   
   practices of the time, which are consistent with the Theory of Number and   
   attributed by the Pythagorean Triangulation performed on the Name of God,   
   known from the time of Babylonian captivity [Romans 2:17-24]: "For we do not   
   wrestle against flesh and blood, but against PRINCIPALITIES-arche, against   
   POWERS-exousia, against the RULERS-kosmokrater of the OBSCURITY-skotos of   
   this AGE-aion, against SPIRITUAL-pneumatikos WICKEDNESS-porneia in the   
   HEAVENS-epouranios (ie. the Christian Gospel)." [Ephesians 6:12] [16 May   
   2004 9:22 AM]   
      
   Your 'fundamentalist fanatical abomination' as motive for continuing dialog   
   appears to be a needless and haughty self-justification.   
      
   - dolf   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)