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From: satanservice.org@boboroshi
"si" asks general questions of and about Satanists:
#># So why not call yourself questioners. Or something similar.
bobo does his best to respond in full:
#> because the intention (even if in the past, or unconscious)
#> behind the use of the term 'satan' is different than mere
#> "questioning". it becomes an active struggle, at least
#> initially. the Great Martyrdom Cult changes in its
#> composition through successive generations of cultists,
#> and those after the initial rosters may treat all of it
#> much more seriously, believe the legends and tales of
#> the cult as established as literal truth, and generally
#> fall away from the skepticism which is championed by
#> some modern Thelemites ('Doubt-Goat'!) and Satanists
#> (as CoS: Stupidity as a quality to be opposed, along
#> with states like "mindlessness").
#>
#> using the Bogey-construction of the dualistic and demonizing
#> as a SELF-DESCRIPTION is like putting on a scary halloween
#> mask made using the descriptions of liars and manipulators.
#> it both grapples with the Blood Libel brought against their
#> religious competitio ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Tani, you asked about Jews, this is a nod of acknowledgement
to that, and I think I agree with sri catyananda that LaVey must
have known that he was intervening in the age-old Catholic-Jew
propaganda war by taking on language that the Roman Catholics
have used for centuries in Blood Libel against their religious
competitors, primarily Jews, but also any remnants or upstarts
(including Gnostics who were exterminated or expelled).
#> AND attempts to redefine biased and slanderous language.
"Tani Jantsang ©" :
# Imo, this is NO different from what Tupac was doing - among others.
# They use the word NIGGAZ to self-describe - taking the offensive
# word, changing the spelling and proudly proclaimint to BE that....
reasonable.
# ...despite efforts to stop them by the mainstream who relies on
# Webster's (stasis book) dictionary.
the faction against Humpty Dumpty is mighty, O Tani mine kindred
in language-manufacture. we arrange ourselves as veritable icons
against the soldiers of language-conformism convinced of their
Literacy Correctitude. regardless of our facility with the Word,
each of us has sovereignty in composition for variable expression.
# That's why I keep questioning the WHY of it - WHY didn't Anton
# Lavey recognize these blacks and what they were actually doing?
did he recognize anyone at all? apparently he recognized you, an
individual. it's possible that they were too far off his radar,
or that it had to resemble *his* manifestation of Satanism
before he would be capable of understanding it as such. I agree
with you that he could have done so, though the double-hit that
LaVeyanism and Rapper culture have against *women* is deplorable
and I'd think that the urban-centeredness of both would also
have been fairly apparent.
# They are the MOST adversarial people in the USA right now -
# and they were always (and still are in some ways) The Other
# - The Hated Minority - demonized and even dehumanized for
# CENTURIES....
I'm not sure how to measure one people against another, but you
are correct that they are a valid example. a shared weakness of
both is that they both *tend to demonize others*. LaVey demonized
Christians, "Eastern mystics", "drugs", feminists, hippies, and
Wiccans (amongst others).
a line where they clearly departed was as regards the POLICE
(whom the CoE claims *are our friends*). Rapper culture is
notoriously anti-police ("Fuck the Police!": "Fear of a Black
Planet", etc.) and tends to demonize them, and separate women
into simplistic categories just like it seems that LaVey did
(for rappers: they be ho's or bitches at base; male-centered).
# You don't seem to have an answer for that either. Do you
# NOT recognize that these rappers are SATANIC in the
# LaVeyan sense of the meaning?
I agree that they are adversarial along the same lines.
#># around something you don't believe exists just to try
#># and mock what you believe that thing stood against?
#>
#> the focus of your assertion here is "just to try to mock".
#> I suggest to you and all who are in this conversation that
#> mockery is only one *aspect* of the use of the term 'satan'.
#> it includes a full grappling with the demonizing elements of
#> dualistic cults (in this case primarily Christian and Muslim),
#> from whom its condemnation-oriented language has been stolen.
#
# It has extended beyond that as "Is Fascism Satanic" shows. It
# has crept into the religion of the Liberal Left (virtues being
# 1. diversity, 2. tolerance, 3. demonization of all things white
# and male). Too bad the only contact you have with the opposers
# of this stuff are Laveyans posing as fascists....
I see that #3 changes with the group involved. sometimes it is the
demonization of things patriarchal and Christian (as within some
of the Neopagan subcultures -- it crosses over around Norway ;>).
blessed beast!
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