XPost: alt.magick.tyagi, alt.pagan, talk.religion.satanism
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From: satanservice.org@boboroshi
Hail Satan!!!
"Tani Jantsang ©" :
# "SOD of the CoE" wrote in message
#> "Tani Jantsang ©" :
#># bobo:
# Ghetto or not. Ben is here.
apparently you cannot correctly identify CoS spokespeople.
# I notice they continually post to me (I can see their brazen nicks right on
# there, like white on snow) even when I have not posted to them at all.
right. a certain amount of attention sustains them, sometimes minimal
for stellar personalities upon whom they feed. to an extent the
victimized and misfortunate may fall prey to such individuals.
#># ...you, Cat and I seem to agree on what their satanism arose
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#># out of (Christianity)
I'm not sure this is true. I am not saying that you and sri catyananda
do not agree. she's said similar things before on the subject.
perhaps you agree that there is no resonance amongst 'Satanisms'.
#># and about the aesthetic or cultural values he went for (40s).
seems obvious enough, as any Satanist probably would.
#> see my posts in response to "si" recently. I don't think you and
#> I are completely aligned with regard to that.
#
# Wrong. I 100% agree that LaVeyan satanism comes from Christianity.
not sure to what "Wrong" refers. even LaVey said that his Satanism
emerged from Christian context. what's your point? you think
that LaVey and his Council of Nine believed that
1) they had been raised Christian?
or that 2) they were practicing a Christian faith?
I don't. if you do then your title and its withdrawal are amusing.
my recall is that LaVey specifies Satanism's transcultural nature
and does not limit it *to* Christianity in its birthing. apparently
you don't see cross-cultural symptoms. do you have reason to
question the existence of these types of 'anti-religion'?
or that LaVey's doesn't constitute a variety of these?
# I regard it as a subset of Christianity.
I call 'em 'Great Martyrdom Cult' examples. maybe you think
along similar lines. is Set mortal? if not, then why not? are
stories that link him with his brother Osiris in ever-lasting
everdying-rebirthing combat from some particular *type*
of Egyptian religion? if so, which kind and how much do
they overlap with modern Setianism? I'd be inclined to
conclude that a transcultural phenomenon (if LaVey is correct)
is *less* like Christianity than Setianism is like Judaism,
which Christianity is trying to subsume, overwhelm, take over.
# I do not agree that TOSetianism comes from it at all since
# it's all Egyptian (which is not from Xianity or related to
# Judeo Christianity at all)....
but that's what seems so weird, Tani. people say stuff like
this, but a great deal of emphasis IS placed upon Egypt as
a school and initiation-center of Moses or Moshe. this guy
is supposed to have been the *author* of the Big Jewish 5
*scripture* (Pentateuch), and the Christians are all hot to
make it *their* scripture too. does "Coming Forth by Day"
('The Egyptian Book of the Dead'?) have implications for Jews?
can we pin the Egyptian god tail on the Jewish Yahweh? if not,
are they contemporaneous at points? are their worship-targets
ever immortal enemies or something, the way that Set *is*
paired with Osiris (precursive dying gods before Christianity)?
the Hermetics regard Egypt as the homeland of the Great
Thrice Hermes-Mercurio who was their Big Magician (tales).
Set is a type of improvement on the efforts of the Golden
Dawn and LaVey (IFF Christian and not transcultural).
by tapping directly into the Judeo-Christian magic central,
and aligning with a specific cultural adversary to Jews in
particular (compare Nazis, with whom you say he's been
unfairly associated, another anti-Jewish faction), this is
perhaps not Christian, but something akin to it (theistic
religion from the Middle-East worshipping a particular god).
LaVey described his Satanism as transcultural, and therefore
something which he had *discovered* amidst Christianity (not
too difficult as the dualism is dissected in symbolic glory
though millennia and a Satanist has much to work with).
thus Satanism (as Satan) appears in many valences, Setianism
bolding its ecclesia over time into an Egyptian obelisk.
*Setianism* and Christianity are, in this manner, more
completely adversaries (in a PERSONAL sense, by history),
whereas Satanism is just a projected drapery for what of
its many adversaries worried the Christians most which
might be inverted, turned against it, and glorified.
Setianism *is* religiously-exclusive, a type of deism with
its own theology, while Satanism tends toward the *anti*-
religious atheistic, or of great variety in spirit-engagement,
eradicating the need for theology on an altar of realism and
epicurean safeguards (evading superficial ghost-worlds).
of COURSE Satanism comes out of Christianity, like a
FRANKENSTEIN monster, the Bogey that got away from the poor
Christians (after the witches they burned and hanged) who
now watch it paraded about before them while they tremble
and shake in their shoes, warning all the police agencies.
Setianism is against Christianity as a direct competitor
to *Judaism* (which Christianity hopes to completely engulf
and subsume). Setianism is at *odds* with Judaism, isn't it?
the priesthoods don't *ever* intersect, do they? at cosmological
odds with one another, unless the Setians go to C.G. Jung and
beg and plead for help, their theology originates in *1* place
and is in this way inferior to the more inclusive vision of LaVey,
and the special pleading enlightenment offered by the CoE.
#> I'm more enamoured
#> of certain expressions elsewhere by LaVey on the matter of the
#> transcultural existence of Satanism, its name differing within
#> ever culture it may appear.
this disputes your notion that Satanism is a type of Christianity
(because it erupts within several systems, as portrayed by LaVey
and others; Barton's Quotations has something to this effect :>).
# The problem is that some cultures were LHP cultures....
unimportant as far as I know. if LHP is anti-cultural,
this complicates the nature of 'LHP culture'.
inasmuch as
Chaos > Vamamarga > Satanism > Thelema
anti anti anti anti
order culture religion corporation
what is Vamamarga's relation to culture, OTHER than that of negation?
does it not runs *against* cultural standards? perhaps crude reflections
or presages, heralds, are seen in orientalist Satanism outbreaks.
# ...our DEITY is the BLACK GOD OF TRANSCENDENT AWARENESS....
doesn't sound like Satan or some being that Christians mistook
to *be* Satan (aside from your ignorant Christian friends who
didn't know any better or who are smitten with devil-hatred).
# ...The nature we are is NOMADIC....
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