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From: riain@zion.org.il
No, I believe in King David, and there may even have been some sort of
"heroic" deed that he did by defending us from the Philistines...
But the story of "David and Goliath", I do not believe literally
happened, just as I do not believe that George Washington had wooden
teeth, or chopped down a cherry tree, or that Abe Lincoln walked so many
miles to return a library book that was overdue.
We know that throughout history that famous, popular people, either good
people or bad people, will have stories that are not true develop around
their personas and become embedded in folklore...
Even as recently as the 20th century.
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Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון wrote:
> Err, in fact the David and Goliath story is folklore.
>
>
So you don't believe that there was a David? Or you don't believe
there was a Goliath? Or what? It may be fact that it is folklore, but
folklore is usually based on some real events. It's not as difficult
to believe as many other stories. Which DO you accept? The modern day
Andre the Giant was probably of a similar proportion to Goliath.
Giantism is a fact and kids killing adults with stones from slings can
happen.
2000 years from now, it may be folklore that Moses the Judge was a
great General that only needed one eye to see his enemy's movements
clearly; it doesn't mean it wasn't the case (Moshe Dayan).
>
> wrote in message
> news:1114375003.914766.322430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון wrote:
> > Try I Samuel, 17:50
> >
> > 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with
a
> > stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no
sword
> in
> > the hand of David.
> >
> > And since this post has been snipped and is from JUNE 2004, don't
> expect
> > to remember the details of what the thread was discussing!
> >
> >
>
> So, if David picked up 5 stones and slew Goliath with one of them,
> it is no lie or untruth in any way to say that he picked up a stone
and
> slew him. I don't see why Mr. Dalton has such a problem with that.
> It's no worse than having a fully loaded revolver and firing once and
> killing the target. The point isn't that the gun was fully loaded
but
> that it took only one shot with which to kill. David was a good shot
> AND he wasn't so stupid as to think he was perfect. Besides, it was
> probably a hard thing to do, wasn't Goliath David's second cousin?
> David's great-grandmother, Ruth, and Goliath's great-grandmother,
> Orpah, were sisters, I thought. It's not such an easy thing killing
a
> relative, I would think.
>
>
> >
> > "Keith Herron" wrote in message
> > news:vLidnS0aa_ud0PbfRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> > : Hi David,
> > :
> > : I've checked the New English, Revised Standard, New Century, New
> > : International, New American Standard (Updated), New Living and
King
>
> > James
> > : translations of 1 Sam 17.40 and they all read 5 stones.
> > :
> > : Which reference and translation do you suggest is quoted as only
> one
> > : stone?
> > :
> > : Keith
> > :
> > : On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:03:37 GMT, "Riain Barton"
> > : wrote:
> > :
> > : >Because there are different translations of the "Old Testament".
> And
> > : there
> > : >is not just one Christian "Old Testament".
> > :
> > : So which versions of the Christian Old Testament do you know of
> > : that have five stones mentioned in the story of David and
Goliath,
> > : as in the Jewish version, rather than just one stone? And do
> > : you think it just accidental mistranslation or a deliberate
editing
> > : to remove the reference to the number five (which is associated
> > : with Solomon and also the Pentateuch, right, and also shows
> > : up in the New Testament in the tale involving five loaves of
> > : bread).
> > :
> > : Thanks,
> > : David
> > :
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