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From: riain@zion.org.il
The basic premise of the story may be true... David killed a Philistine
with a stone, but it is when the story gets embellished that the
folklore comes into play...
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Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון wrote:
> No, I believe in King David, and there may even have been some sort
of
> "heroic" deed that he did by defending us from the Philistines...
>
If he HAD killed his own cousin, it certainly is the kind of thing
that would have been remembered, though. And it doesn't take a great
amount of faith to believe it either. Killing one person with a stone
is far more believable than killing a thousand men with the jawbone of
an ass (not that certain modern-day politicians aren't guilty of
similar tasks by the movements of their own mouths!!).
> But the story of "David and Goliath", I do not believe literally
> happened, just as I do not believe that George Washington had wooden
> teeth, or chopped down a cherry tree, or that Abe Lincoln walked so
many
> miles to return a library book that was overdue.
>
We know the truth about the teeth and the tree but I think the
jury's still out on the library book incident. But it is the kind of
thing he would do.
> We know that throughout history that famous, popular people, either
good
> people or bad people, will have stories that are not true develop
around
> their personas and become embedded in folklore...
>
> Even as recently as the 20th century.
>
Definitely!!
>
>
> wrote in message
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>
> Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון wrote:
> > Err, in fact the David and Goliath story is folklore.
> >
> >
>
> So you don't believe that there was a David? Or you don't believe
> there was a Goliath? Or what? It may be fact that it is folklore,
but
> folklore is usually based on some real events. It's not as difficult
> to believe as many other stories. Which DO you accept? The modern
day
> Andre the Giant was probably of a similar proportion to Goliath.
> Giantism is a fact and kids killing adults with stones from slings
can
> happen.
> 2000 years from now, it may be folklore that Moses the Judge was
a
> great General that only needed one eye to see his enemy's movements
> clearly; it doesn't mean it wasn't the case (Moshe Dayan).
>
>
> >
> > wrote in message
> > news:1114375003.914766.322430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון wrote:
> > > Try I Samuel, 17:50
> > >
> > > 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and
with
> a
> > > stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no
> sword
> > in
> > > the hand of David.
> > >
> > > And since this post has been snipped and is from JUNE 2004, don't
> > expect
> > > to remember the details of what the thread was discussing!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > So, if David picked up 5 stones and slew Goliath with one of
them,
> > it is no lie or untruth in any way to say that he picked up a stone
> and
> > slew him. I don't see why Mr. Dalton has such a problem with that.
> > It's no worse than having a fully loaded revolver and firing once
and
> > killing the target. The point isn't that the gun was fully loaded
> but
> > that it took only one shot with which to kill. David was a good
shot
> > AND he wasn't so stupid as to think he was perfect. Besides, it
was
> > probably a hard thing to do, wasn't Goliath David's second cousin?
> > David's great-grandmother, Ruth, and Goliath's great-grandmother,
> > Orpah, were sisters, I thought. It's not such an easy thing
killing
> a
> > relative, I would think.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Keith Herron" wrote in message
> > > news:vLidnS0aa_ud0PbfRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> > > : Hi David,
> > > :
> > > : I've checked the New English, Revised Standard, New Century,
New
> > > : International, New American Standard (Updated), New Living and
> King
> >
> > > James
> > > : translations of 1 Sam 17.40 and they all read 5 stones.
> > > :
> > > : Which reference and translation do you suggest is quoted as
only
> > one
> > > : stone?
> > > :
> > > : Keith
> > > :
> > > : On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:03:37 GMT, "Riain Barton"
> > > : wrote:
> > > :
> > > : >Because there are different translations of the "Old
Testament".
> > And
> > > : there
> > > : >is not just one Christian "Old Testament".
> > > :
> > > : So which versions of the Christian Old Testament do you know
of
> > > : that have five stones mentioned in the story of David and
> Goliath,
> > > : as in the Jewish version, rather than just one stone? And do
> > > : you think it just accidental mistranslation or a deliberate
> editing
> > > : to remove the reference to the number five (which is associated
> > > : with Solomon and also the Pentateuch, right, and also shows
> > > : up in the New Testament in the tale involving five loaves of
> > > : bread).
> > > :
> > > : Thanks,
> > > : David
> > > :
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