XPost: alt.religion.angels, alt.magick   
   From: me@here.net   
      
   On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:56:11 +1000, Ankh  wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:20:34 -0500, "Mark Earnest"   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>Ishmael is not an angel; he is a saint.   
   >>   
   >>He is the father and founder of the Islamic People.   
   >   
   >Yeah, I forgot about that reference also.   
   >   
   >I'm Brian. no, i'm Brian.   
      
   I was hasty in my reply to this.   
      
   I got some references to "saint" back from my net search.   
   But none i noted were that the saint was any founder of the "Islamic".   
      
   I do know that the name "Israel" was given to mean "keeper of the   
   covenant", which then became the collective Israel ('keepers of the   
   covenant')   
      
   Do you have any references you could throw at me?   
      
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