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   In sci.archaeology message  news:1163336929.002493.226530   
   @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com by sag_giganospam@yahoo.de  . . . :   
      
   Why all the crossposting? Are you trying to tell us you are creating   
   new myths and alternative archaeology?   
      
   > Tom McDonald schrieb:   
   >   
   >> sag_giganospam@yahoo.de wrote:   
   >> > Well it has been debated but maybe we can discuss this again ?   
   >> >   
   >> > Some very very troubling coincidences :   
   >>   
   >> More apparent than real, so not so troubling.   
   >   
   > For you maybe.   
   >   
   >> > Stonehenge were built around 3200 BC.   
   >>   
   >> A henge was begun around then. It went through much rebuilding over   
   >> time. The stones that make the henge a 'stone-henge' came later. So,   
   >> no, Stonehenge was not built at that time.   
   >   
   > The earliest phase dates back to about 3100 BC. (Stonehenge 1)   
   >   
   >> > Indian modern age starts at 3100 BC.   
   >>   
   >> Or a couple of hundred years earlier. If you mean the Indus Valley   
   >> Civilization.   
   >>   
   >> It did not, of course, last until today.   
   >   
   > Harappa dates back to around 3300 BC.   
   >   
   >> > Sumer had dark ages around 3200BC.   
   >>   
   >> What goes up, must come down. Spinning wheel, got to go round.   
   >   
   > For what reasons did Sumer fall around that time ?   
   >   
   >> > 3114 BC is start of mayan calendar.   
   >>   
   >> But this was several millenia before the rise of the Maya. (BTW,   
   >> 'Mayan' properly only refers to the language, not the people; and nor   
   >> is it an adjectival form except when used about the language.) So,   
   >> nothing much going on in the big-assed cultural change department.   
   >   
   > Of course, but they keep traces of something in their calendar.   
   > It is like our calendar : the begining is based on one important event.   
   >   
   >> > First egyptian kingdoms are from 3200 BC.   
   >>   
   >> Or thereabouts. BTW, do you have something against proper   
   >> capitalization?   
   >   
   > Yes thereabouts.   
   > Proper capitalization ? Sorry I dont know better.   
   >   
   >> > Are there archeological proofs that something big happened at that   
   time   
   >> > ?   
   >>   
   >> How else do you think we know anything about any of the things you   
   >> mention?   
   >>   
   >> BTW, you have thrown together, willy-nilly, several points of change in   
   >> three civilizations, a Neolithic long-term project, and a date that   
   >> only became important millenia later.   
   >>   
   >> In addition, the exactitude of the dates you give is misleading. They   
   >> are nothing like firm, accurate dates; they are estimates. And they are   
   >> not all estimates based on the latest information.   
   >>   
   >> So please stop worrying about the odd congruences. They don't exist.   
   >   
   > Other things that happened at that time : pure coincidence ?   
      
   No coincidence is noted, the period 1000 years previous was more   
   active. The period of 6000 to 5500 years ago is a period of population   
   growth and growth of peoples in settlements, probably some overgrowth.   
      
   > Major climate shift :   
   > Atmospheric temperatures fall to lowest levels.   
   > Sahara changes into a desert.   
      
   The climate began to change before 3300BC.   
      
   Couple of things have biased your notion.   
      
   1. First cuniform texts appear about that time   
   2. First heiroglyphs.   
      
   Both these create the ultimate historic/prehistoric boundary.   
   Prior to this there is not history and everything is based   
   in archaeology.   
      
   This was preceded in the 33rd century by   
   "   
   Ancient Egypt begin using clay, bone & ivory tags to label boxes. This is   
   possibly the oldest writing in existence   
   "   
   and 34th century   
      
   "   
   Archaic forms of the cuneiform script emerge in the late Uruk period   
   "   
      
   If you want to take a look at what has happened prior to this period we   
   can start in chronological order.   
   24,000 years ago first pottery like material in czechoslovakia.   
   18,300 years ago the initial expansions (seasonal) from refugias   
          in western europe begin most will contract in a few 1000 years.   
   16,500 years ago france's cave painting cultures flourish.   
   16,000 years ago first pottery from Japan.   
   12,500 years ago first signs of reoccupation of Briton   
   12,000 years ago first cultivated grains   
   11,000 years ago Maglemosian culture detected in Britian   
   10,500 years ago first wavy/dotted wavy line pottery in africa.   
   10,350 years ago first settlements on Jericho   
   10,200~years ago first cattle domesticated in africa.   
   10,000 years ago first domesticated grain- Emmer's wheat, Anatolia, Barley-   
   levant.   
   10,000 years ago,settlements pop up from levant to anatolia. Nevali Cori,   
                   Sagalassos,   
   10,000 years ago, End of pliestocene, beginning of Holocene.   
                   first occupations in denmark, sweden detected.   
   9500~years ago, first cattle domesticated in europe. Sheep, SW Asia   
   9500 years ago, first occupations in Scotland detected.   
   9500 years ago, cattle period in the Sahara begins.   
   9500 years ago, Çatalhöyük becomes largest known settlement.   
   9300 years ago, mesolithic/neolithic transition begins in italy.   
   9000 years ago, Elamites settled   
   9000 years ago, settlement begins on Kachi plain.   
   9000 years ago, Neolithization of Henan china begins,  millet farming and   
                   animal husbandry in the form of pig raising   
   9000~years ago, first pottery in Near East.   
   8500 years ago, first bread wheat domesticated - SE Armenia. (6500 BC)   
   8500 years ago, first clear signs of the reoccupation of Ireland.   
   8500 years ago, trade in mediterranean is beginning to flourish.   
   8500 years ago, knitting is practiced in levant.   
   8300 years ago, onset of Iron gourges culture of the danube.   
   8000 years ago, Ban Po is occupied.   
   8000 years ago, Rice agriculture is spreading in asia.   
   7900 years ago, prehistoric Vinca culture in the Balkans.   
   7800 years ago, spread of iron gourges.   
   7500 years ago, Impressed/Cardial Ware is spreading into western europe.   
   7400 years ago, practice of irrigation begins in mesopotamia.   
   7100 years ago, first detectable dairy in Briton.   
   7000 years ago, Elamites settled   
   7000 years ago, Yangshao culture in China.   
   7000 years ago, world population estimated to be 5 million.   
   6900 years ago, Elaborite ditch fortifications appear in SE Europe.   
   6580 years ago, Merimde culture (nile) begins   
   6500 years ago, Plough is being used in europe.   
   6500~years ago, water buffulo is domesticated in china.   
   6500 years ago, Susa, Kish and Sialk in mesopotamia   
   6400 years ago, Badari culture (nile) begins.   
   6350 years ago, predynastic period in Egypt begins   
   6200 years ago, Levantian knitting reaches Denmark.   
   6200~years ago, first 'stratified' settlements in N.Syria   
   6000 years ago, world population estimated at 7 million.   
   5900~years ago, first large scale settlements in the lower euphrates region   
                   , Ur.   
   5900 years ago, an anceint causeway is build in Briton.   
   5767 years ago, Hebrew Calender begins.   
   5700 years ago, Crete's Early Minoan period   
   5500 years ago, solar observatory built in Ireland.   
   5300 years ago, Oetzi the Ice Man frozen as glaciers advance.   
      
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