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   XPost: alt.religion.druid   
   From: miketwofeathers@gmail.com   
      
   Norman Wells wrote:   
   > The Todal wrote:   
   >> On 21/9/12 09:38, Norman Wells wrote:   
   >>> GB wrote:   
   >>>> On 21/09/2012 09:01, Norman Wells wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On the contrary, they are _all_ to do with parents wanting to   
   >>>>> impose their will on their children.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And black is white. I think we all understand you, Norman. You find   
   >>>> a position and stick to it against all reason.   
   >>>   
   >>> The truth is absolute.   
   >>>   
   >>> And your reasons are non-existent.   
   >>   
   >> I hesitate to ask you whether you have children, but surely this   
   >> notion of the parent imposing his will on his child applies to just   
   >> about every aspect of parenting. Asking the child to brush his teeth,   
   >> eat up his food, tie his shoelaces, do his homework, tidy his room,   
   >> all that stuff. Even before the child can speak he is asked to eat   
   >> his food, not throw it at the walls, and stop kicking his mother. And   
   >> to go to bed and stay there when it is night time.   
   >   
   > Not many of those, however, are mutilating assaults which, if anything   
   > similar to circumcision were done to a child, would result in criminal   
   > prosecution.   
   >   
   >> Having a child circumcised for religious reasons is essentially no   
   >> different from having it christened.   
   >   
   > Except that one is a mutilating assault on a defenceless child whereas   
   > the other isn't.   
   >   
   >> The aim is to ensure that the   
   >> child is accepted as part of a community. Not imposing the parent's   
   >> will for its own sake.   
   >   
   > Yes it is.  It's precisely that.  If the child wants to join that   
   > community when he is competent to decide then that should be his   
   > decision and his decision alone, not his parents'.   
      
   do you happen to know why circumcision is done, or why it started in the   
   first place. it did not start with religion. you would have to go back   
   to early egypt to find the first writings of it and the practice   
   thereof. and since a parent is imposing  their will, who will teach the   
   child to keep himself clean if un-circumcisized.   
      
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