XPost: alt.mythology, talk.religion.misc, alt.religion   
   XPost: alt.folklore   
   From: a202010@lycos.com   
      
   David Dalton wrote:   
      
   >  Timothy Sutter wrote:   
      
   > > > >  Timothy Sutter  wrote:   
      
   > > > > > "gibbous this day our daily crescent roll"  <=== (Timothy Sutter)   
      
   > > > David Dalton wrote:   
      
   > > > > Thanks for the feedback, Timothy.   
   > > > > By promoting my own religious experiences   
      
   > > Timothy Sutter wrote:   
      
   > > > are you taking drugs to make it go away?   
   > > > was your self described experience a bad one?   
      
   > > so, this is my difficulty here;   
      
   > > you claim to have had or to be having some sort of   
   > > "religious experience," and that you seem to feel that   
   > > this experience is one that you would like to share with   
   > > other people in the hopes that other people may gain access   
   > > or share in the same sort of religious experience as you   
   > > claim for yourself, and then you seem to be seeking help   
   > > to make this experience go away.   
      
   > > people usually go to see doctors because they feel ill   
   > > and want remediation of discomforting symptoms.   
      
   > > so, which is it?   
      
   > > a good experience that you want others to share in   
      
   > > or a bad experience that you want others to run like hell from?   
      
   > > you might be interested in this;   
      
   > > ===   
   > > Acts 26:24-25   
      
   > > While he(Paul) was making this defense, Festus exclaimed,   
   > > "You are out of your mind, Paul! Too much learning   
   > > is driving you insane!"  But Paul said, "I am not   
   > > out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I am   
   > > speaking the sober truth."   
   > > ===   
      
   > > which are you?   
      
   > Once again I am in (and hopefully near the end of) a period   
   > of low/wilderness/foresaken/cremation ground/trial/ascetic   
   > years, which for many past figures lasted 7 years   
   > but for me have lasted slightly over 17 years so far.   
      
   well look, you say that jacob went thru one of these   
   7 year bits and Jacob was working for some man to get   
   one of that man's daughters as a wife so, Jacob wasn't   
   exactly imagining that he was being tortured   
   by scorpions in the desert.   
      
   ok, fine, here's a situation for you;   
      
   let's imagine that psychiatrists are agents   
   of this "God" named "Humana" and they must spend 7 years   
   in the toil of this fantasy world called "medical school"   
    where they suffer from mental anguish and the   
   torturous initiations of "Humana" their Deity.   
      
   according to your thinking, these potential psychiatrists   
   are schizophrenic prophets of "Humana" being initiatied by   
   their sponsor, and if they manage to suffer through the   
   toils of this initiation, they immediately, lose the label   
    "schizophrenic" and become a peculiar brand of M.D.   
      
   or do they?   
      
   do they ever really lose the label of being diagnosed by you   
   as schizophrenic even if they come to hold the credentials   
   of a peculiar type of M.D.?   
      
   at any rate, then it becomes a matter of how you define   
   a particular word and you haven't really told me anything   
   about "prophets" or people who may actually gather up   
   some sort of communication with "God"   
      
   =one= of whose -guises- may be AS "Humana"   
      
   i just don't want to make it something like;   
      
   "oooh, all the -best people- are schizophrenics"   
      
   because, as defined in other situations, "schizophrenia"   
   is a debilitating problem that never seems to get better.   
      
   and i wouldn't want these agents of "Humana"   
      
   to get it in their minds that they must hunt down people   
   who say they beleive in and are affected by "God" and wrap   
   them up in straight jackets and inject drugs in to their veins,   
   many of which have debilitiating =side effects= such   
   as "tardive diskinesia"   
      
   and so, these agents of "Humana" become modern day witch hunters   
   purposefully ruining the lives of mild mannered God affected types.   
      
   we wouldn't want this would we?   
      
   "doctor, this man has confessed to being   
   indwelled with the holy spirit, what should we do"   
      
   "bring him in and we'll begin the process of vegification immediately"   
      
   and before you know it, that man is a vegatable...   
      
   -just like- the psychiatrists who made -themselves-   
   vegetables with a small implant to the back of   
   the neck which feeds the cortex with vegetable juice.   
      
   and the viscous cycle continues...   
      
   no, =i'm= not denigrating psychiatry   
      
   just think of this as "psychodrama"   
      
   but it -could be- "reallity"   
      
   "everybody is schizophrenic, including   
   the psychiatrists who affix the labels"   
      
   except, i haven't exactly heard any   
      
   "modern psychiatrist" calling Moses a schizophrenic   
      
   but if it makes -you- feel comfortable to do so   
      
   you -may- have a peculiar understanding   
      
   and definition of "schizophrenia"   
      
   and not one actually held -by- a "modern psychiatrist"   
      
   etc.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)