From: joshb@localhost.localdomain   
      
   Relevance to alt.native:   
   - It seems that only the native people of what whites call America   
     understand economics. Besides them, ancient Israel understood it   
     too. They both knew: the Earth can not be sold. Although you can,   
     if you put it in a bag first. Anyway: white man "culture" is   
     reportedly on the brink, it can't be fixed and it will go to world   
     war 3 as well. Similar things have always been said by the native   
     people, the whites never listen and they don't listen to me either.   
     They don't even listen to their own, talking in their language and   
     arguing things in the way that they would. Economy is unfixable   
     until it's fixed upon new foundations, and white man is going to   
     make a great disaster probably soon now. That disaster needs to be   
     used to get through to the white man (who after all rules the world   
     for a while, probably not so long anymore). (Sorry for combative   
     writing style, this is the way of the white man science system.)   
      
   Someone decried the activities of the private central bank   
   of the USA (FED), for not solving the unstable financial   
   sector. Reaction ...   
      
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   You [person who blames the FED, even when they are no doubt   
   also to blame and a gaggle of gangsters] should look into   
   what kind of a system you have. You think it is merely "trade"   
   but it's not that simple. Most people think like we are in the   
   stone age, which is perhaps not so strange because they never   
   think ~ instead they have concepts in their minds that could   
   have been there from the hundreds of thousands of years that   
   humanity has lived in the stone age. Old habbits die slow ? Who   
   honestly thinks things through ? 99.99% of the people never do,   
   hence they stick with the old instincts. The market was quite   
   simple (presumably, if you think of wandering tribes): go out   
   into free nature, take what you can find, do something with it,   
   and exchange it with what another had done; most of this would   
   have been trade directly from the miner-producer-transporter   
   individual to the end-user. In later cultures there might have   
   been one step in between of the market trader. This is still   
   how people think of the economy today, and because of this   
   they still think that they are not doing anything unusual and   
   that the trade system will work things out.   
      
   What we had back in the day, was a trade system that was   
   embedded within the overwhelming power of nature. It was just a   
   tool for a specific problem (distribution of wealth by trade),   
   although there where even other ways to do that. What has now   
   happened however is that this trade tool has captured the   
   entire world itself, literally the Earth is being traded,   
   but also the people themselves are being traded, and they   
   are being traded as whole groups (say clans or families). The   
   control over whole productive clans is being traded by hostile   
   controllers, who do not have the best interest of the clan at   
   heart, yet they rule the productive clan (i put it in old words   
   to avoid the brainwashing that is embedded in the normal words   
   which are dehumanized and within which especially workforce   
   (workforce?! people!) is dehumanized, which would be: ownership   
   of a company is freely traded.) We also have money itself being   
   traded as if it where a commodity (loans). Not only has the   
   trade system captured the whole earth but it also captures the   
   businesses themselves - the People. Who remembers what it was   
   really about ? It was about manufactured products and spoils   
   of hunt and gathering/harvest carried in hand, and it was   
   about a direct service like perhaps repairing a tent together   
   in exchange for lunch & dinner. In todays world: virtually   
   everything is getting traded around, from the foundations of   
   the Earth and the larger production companies, to the labor   
   contracts within those companies, to what these people then   
   buy & consume, and then they go gamble with their excess money   
   (if any) back to the Earth and the big companies.   
      
   You see how it all floats around on itself, without any solid   
   place to have a foundation on ? There is no effect whatsoever   
   that will guarantee full employement for all (even when that's   
   one of the easiest problems to solve: give everyone their share   
   of land, who has valuable land can work by definition). There is   
   no guarantee whatsoever against the centralization of control,   
   the centralization of wealth. There is no limit on the amount of   
   money either. Only by stiff action and civil warThes is trade   
   in slaves outlawed; at least there is some of a victory there   
   ~ but on the other hand in terms of the overall instability   
   of the system it does not help a lot because the free slaves   
   become landless unemployed people; who then have to whore   
   their freedom away to someone who will make them work for the   
   business he had gotten the credit to build from yet other people   
   who where looking to make a profit out of other people's labor   
   without having to work for it. There they are following orders   
   all day as if they are robots or children, and they think this   
   is normal because they don't know what a normal life would be.   
      
   You'll notice the dumbing down you get from following orders all   
   day, by the way. That then becomes an effect that strengthens   
   the ability of the few rich to centralize more control and   
   turn this instable trade system into it's exact opposite:   
   an integrated top-down totalitarian plan-economy. That comes   
   about because the landless labor masses have no freedom   
   (because they have no land), they have no independence   
   (because they have no land), and after centuries of being   
   told every day what to do and how to do it they don't have the   
   brain anymore to withstand these social abuses or understand   
   them. They start to belief in the system that enslaves them,   
   perhaps something like a Stockholm syndrome: they love their   
   captors, because these keep them fed and without which they   
   stare at the great unknown (which is actually their lack of   
   farming and creative skills to make their land productive in   
   whatever way.) Because they are dependent (upon an employer   
   for a job, rather then stand free on their land), they have   
   to bid low on the value of their labor. Perhaps you could say:   
   because the whole trade system has grown out of proportion, it   
   captured its own foundations and started to trade them around   
   as well by which it became unstable as a whole: it will then   
   forever gyrate, churn, balance and unbalance, storm and go   
   quiet again, boom & bust, until it finally coalesques into a   
   new stability that grows inside of itself and that is it's own   
   polar opposite. That stability is slavery, direct boss-serf   
   relations. Since that is the only solid in the volatile mix,   
   it slowly like a growing crystal solidifies itself. The other   
   stability pole could be morality & wisdom: notoriously in low   
   supply in nations as a whole somehow. The morality pole can   
   stabilize the system by taking certain elements out of the   
   trade system, for example the Earth itself, and the companies   
   themselves (the clans).   
      
      
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