From: oldwifetale@yahoo.com   
      
   On Sunday, October 5, 2014 5:08:12 AM UTC-7, joshb wrote:   
   > Op 2014-10-03, oldwifetale schreef :   
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   > > On Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:13:51 AM UTC-7, joshb wrote:   
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   > >> Op 2014-10-02, yanowis@gmail.com schreef :   
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   > >>> Like the John Wayne types. I do however fear the amerikan   
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   > >>> nightmare of kapitalism run amok. The kind that created global   
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   > >>> warming and is destroying Inuit homelands. They were warning   
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   > >>> us years before it became chic. I fear for my Native forests,   
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   > >>> salmon that they will be forced into extinction by GE trees   
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   > >>> and GM salmon. Let's battle the windmill of communism or   
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   > >>> Muslim terrorists and ignore real problems and the real   
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   > >>> battlefield. Then we'll all be extinct. Problem solved.   
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   > >>That is how it will go, but it is an interesting effort to try   
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   > >>to figure out how it should have gone. Nobody will listen but,   
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   > >>what else is there to do. It's not that I want to harp on the   
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   > >>same thing all the time (giving everyone their share of land)   
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   > >>but it seems to me that saying "though shall not be greedy" is   
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   > >>not going to be enough. The capitalist system creates landless   
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   > >>unemployed people on the one hand, and the extremely greedy and   
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   > >>wealthy on the other (capitalist oligarchy). From above comes   
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   > >>never ender greed and destruction of nature with great power,   
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   > >>and from below comes poverty that likewise needs to drill freshly   
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   > >>into the natural resources. In the middle are the so called   
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   > >>entrepreneurs, who have the means to exploit natural resources   
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   > >>and often need to work extremely hard to pay all the taxes that   
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   > >>fund the Oligarchy their wars and the unemployement benefits that   
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   > >>the landless unemployed need to survive. It is easy to see how   
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   > >>nature will be the thing that will be the punching bag, with    
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   > >>nobody really caring for it through their desperation or criminal   
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   > >>nature in the case of the Oligarchy.   
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   > >>In case communism is defined as a plan-economy (which is how it   
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   > >>usually is done), you get something like work-brigades run by   
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   > >>the Communist Party oligarchy. It seems to me that this is the   
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   > >>same as the capitalist oligarchy in an advanced state of capturing   
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   > >>all wealth, albeit with a different rethorical sause. The experience   
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   > >>in Russia with Communism seems to support such an analyses.   
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   > >>Giving everyone land is however not the ultimate answer either,   
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   > >>because everyone can still demand a larger share, and by that the   
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   > >>whole nature is destroyed also. However I think that in a land   
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   > >>distribution system, there is less desperation at the bottom, no   
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   > >>over arching Oligarchy of evil, more power of the common people in   
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   > >>their Governments (because land is power also in politics). There   
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   > >>is therefore more chance that nature will be more protected in   
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   > >>a land distributive system. The great love of wild nature that    
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   > >>many common people have could be enough. If not, then society will   
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   > >>go through catastrophes until it learns or is extinct. Land   
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   > >>distribution to all by law could help in the preservation of nature   
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   > >>(which in my view should already initially exclude lands set aside   
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   > >>for nature; so the People would only use a defined amount that is   
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   > >>small enough to have a healthy wild nature besides it.)   
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   > > That's all well-intentioned, i'm sure,   
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   > thanks.   
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   > >                                        but the point here is   
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   > > 'alliance'.   
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   > > If your country is at war with another country, and members of   
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   > > your country form alliances with members the opposing country,   
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   > > what would you call that?   
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   > That depends on who is right. My country is often wrong, because   
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   > the media is lying, and the politicians work for the gangs with the   
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   > money. Example: the gangs of the European Union and America, especially   
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   > gangster McCain (US Senator) have stoked a fascist coup in the Ukraine,   
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   > using the familiar 'occupy wallstreet' type stuff (look into Gene   
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   > Sharp of the 'Einstein institute' and the whole Otpor/CANVAS fakery;   
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   > they put naive leftist youth gangs on the central square, but when   
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   > push came to shove it was the fascists & nazis (open Nazis) who took   
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   > control of the Government buildings; in later weeks they simply   
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   > threw off the remaining leftists there by force, doing an about face   
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   > from their earlier tactics to gain power.) My country has been over-   
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   > thrown from within to the European cliques, hence officially we are   
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   > with the Kiev Nazis & Fascists in Kiev Ukraine, who are waging a   
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   > war against the people in the Donbass (Novorossia), killing innocent   
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   > people there with their tanks in their houses. Although we are not   
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   > officially sending troops there and "at war," the Netherland is   
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   > more or less in the - say - alliance of fascism, Nazism & genocide.   
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   > This could be blowing up in coming months, because the criminals of   
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   > NATO want a "spear head force" into the Ukraine (!).    
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   > If members of my country formed an alliance with the Donbass people,   
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   > which more or less is a place we are at least politically and perhaps   
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   > soon militarily at war with, how do I call that: brave and great.   
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   > I thought about sending my bullet proof vest to the Donbass, but I   
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   > think it will be intercepted by the Kiev Nazis and used to do their   
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   > evil for the European Union and the USA Imperialism.   
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   > > Do you think it would be wrong for your country to investigate   
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   > > that situation?   
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   > The side who is in the moral right, is in the moral right. If we   
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   > get attacked on our soil by the USA and my army fights that invasion   
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   > as a true army against such an event, then I would probably be for   
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   > my own army ~ who for a change would be doing what they are supposedly   
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   > set up for (but rarely actually do, since they are on Imperial safari   
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   > most of the time, shedding the blood of peoples far away who neither   
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   > could hurt us, or have heard from us much, or wish us harm.) Hence:   
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   > if people of the Dutch went to the Donbass (that is also called the   
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   > Repulic of Novorossia, also named Repuplic of Donetsk & Lugansk which   
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