From: oldwifetale@yahoo.com   
      
   On Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:59:42 AM UTC-8, joshb wrote:   
   > Op 2014-10-14, oldwifetale schreef :   
   > [...]   
   > > Applause. Standing Ovation. Bravo!!! Encore!!! I'm thrilled   
   > > that you didn't brand a knife or aim a bow and arrow at   
   > > the girl speaking at the podium. What a stupendous act of   
   > > nonviolence! I'm overcome with admiration. Please excuse me,   
   > > i must swoon and fan myself.   
   > >   
   > > Unfortunately, that's all i could do while watching your video,   
   > > since i didn't understand a word of it. I was just thinking,   
   > > "Gee, i hope that girl knows how lucky she is that the people   
   > > filming her and asking questions have ruled out branding a   
   > > knife or aiming a bow and arrow at her." Normally when i hear   
   > > someone on a podium saying something i don't like, the thought   
   > > never crosses my mind that they should be grateful i didn't   
   > > come to assassinate them. I think that's because the thought   
   > > of assassinating someone never crosses my mind, but i don't   
   > > know. Maybe i'm an activist after all. Because i didn't know   
   > > that not doing anything was doing something, even if i never   
   > > thought to do that in the first place. Gosh, y'all just make   
   > > it so conFUSing. It's too much for my pretty little head.   
   >   
   > You know what you are ? You are just another fraudster here on   
   > Usenet, trying to turn white into black, and black into white   
   > (proverbially). Pretending to care, and yet you support murder   
   > like COINTELPRO because ... "the Russians." I see you know all   
   > the tricks, for example when I put my political enemies on a stage   
   > and spread their word, you know how to turn that around so that   
   > I look like the violent one all of a sudden. You want me then to   
   > defend that I'm not, and then you have the discussion where you   
   > want it. You talk like a professional I must say, you're quite   
   > good at this game. I've seen much on Usenet, very much I might   
   > say. You're quite the piece of work, in the negative that is.   
   >   
   > >> See, isn't that ... lovely ? We just ask some question, and without   
   > >> doing anything mean to them by editing devil-horns or whatever into   
   > >> the video, we just show what they want to say. You could say that we   
   > >> make them famous, we help them in a sense. Violent ?   
   > >   
   > > No devil horns? That is very magnanimous of you.   
   >   
   > I don't support violence against political opponents, unlike you   
   > who doesn't shy away from applauding murder strategies and all   
   > manner of disgusting activities that have been deployed under   
   > COINTELPRO. These where deployed against Native Americans -   
   > yet you applaud it right here in their own group. I can't   
   > understand how you can be interested in the rights of American   
   > indians, without opposing something as tyrannical as COINTELPRO.   
   > Which is a violation of everything that the European democratic   
   > system is supposed to be. You go back to the Spanish Inquisition   
   > with that stance on COINTELPRO. My only conclusion is that   
   > you follow the dictum "the only good Native American, is   
   > one that waves the American flag and cheers for the latest   
   > gangster in the Oval Office while selling their land to the   
   > big corporations that turn the USA into a fascist Empire."   
   >   
   > >> Allright, now let's look at another situation in the world, that   
   > >> is underreported in the mass media.   
   > >   
   > > I'll bet it's going to be Ukraine. I think it's funny how you keep   
   > > trying to get me to talk about Ukraine.   
   >   
   > I think it is funny how you don't talk like a real person, but like   
   > someone who is on a mission, a mission to shill for the American ruling   
   > class.   
   >   
   > I probably should stop talking to you because you drag this all down   
   > too much and it's not worth reading anymore. Which is probably exactly   
   > what you want. Then you have your little COINTELPRO victory. Your   
   > little cognitive infiltration victory.   
   >   
   > >> The USA has destroyed the Government of the Ukraine,   
   > >   
   > > Ha!   
   >   
   > You think this is of no importance ? There's 4000 people dead now,   
   > and about 10 000 wounded. This is of no interest to you ? Your   
   > Government did this, in a long line of criminal activities that   
   > you are responsible for, including COINTELPRO. Even more recently,   
   > you have begun invading Syria for the reason of conquest and   
   > bloodlust. This is the ruling gangster culture that you support,   
   > when you shill for COINTELPRO.   
   >   
   > >> by organizing a coup at the beginning   
   > >> of this year. This is how you meddle in our affairs, which I considder   
   > >> acts of war.   
   > >   
   > > Meddle in "our" affairs? Are you Ukrainian?   
   >   
   > You are meddling on my Continent, and causing a war that is likely to   
   > involve us later: Russia versus NATO. I know you need that war, because   
   > your Empire is collapsing from things like COINTELPRO and the like.   
   > Really ? Yes, because that kind of tyrannical systems prevent proper   
   > politicians to get to power and to keep madness and corruption under   
   > control in your Empire. With less COINTELPRO there is more chance   
   > that the corruption in the USA is lessened, so that the US Empire   
   > won't collapse from for example a dollar value implosion (that is   
   > now likely coming.)   
   >   
   > Hence it's now collapsing under the weight of it's corruption, and to   
   > mittigate the results of that you need Europe to blow itself up again   
   > so that you can rule the world afterwards - just after WW2. You don't   
   > want an implosion of your own Empire, while other areas are rising.   
   > You want to implode, when other areas likewise descend into bloodshed   
   > and chaos, so that when you are weak, others are also weak. This is   
   > how I see your destruction of Ukraine and attempting to cause the   
   > war with Russia on our Continent.   
   >   
   > >I understand that after the Cold War between the USSR and   
   > >the USA, weapons were stockpiled in Ukraine. The government   
   > >of Ukraine and the government of the USA made an arrangement:   
   > >in exchange for Ukraine disposing of the weapons, the USA   
   > >would provide protection to Ukraine. When an arrangement such   
   > >as this is made, it necessitates a presence or involvement in   
   > >the event that the Ukrainian government feels threatened by   
   > >an outside force.   
   >   
   > What is this nonsense, you invented it yourself ? Get out of our   
   > continent. The arrangement was that NATO would NOT move east, in exchange   
   > for which Russia would withdraw from eastern Europe to let Germany   
   > re-unite. Russia had conquered eastern Europe because it has destroyed   
   > Hitler who had taken it, at the behest of among others the Brittish and   
      
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