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   From: dalton@nfld.com   
      
   I seem to recall reading somewhere that Jacob was   
   associated with ravens. Is that correct? Of course   
   I also know of Noah’s first sending out a raven   
   before the dove.   
      
   I associate the raven with new (dark) moon and   
   thus perhaps the dove could be a fat waxing   
   crescent (so I hope for global peace at the   
   coming fat waxing crescent).   
      
   The raven is also associated with Odin, Lleu/Lugh/Lugos,   
   the Morrigan, and the Haida creation story of   
   The Raven and the First Men. Do you know   
   of any other stories that mention ravens?   
      
   Also I remember the story of Jacob’s Blessings   
   to the tribes. This is generally assumed to   
   have occurred at the end of his life, but is there   
   any evidence it occurred earlier, though still   
   fairly late in his life?   
      
   And I take the story of Jacob wrestling with an   
   angel or with God to mean he negotiated   
   late at night with God, perhaps such that   
   God enforced those Blessings/binding.   
      
   --   
   David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)   
   https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)   
   "This could be the final breath/This is life and death/   
   This is hard rock and water/Out here between wind and flame/   
   Between tears and elation/Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)