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   "Quee"  wrote in message   
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   >> Frederick Burroughs wrote:   
   >>> Quee wrote:   
   >>> >  wrote:   
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   >>> >>dspahr3d@aol.com wrote:   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >>>>I understand the sugar in your water solution: simple sugars often   
   >>> >>>>increase mycelium growth. But I don't understand about the salt.   
   >>> >>>>Salt   
   >>> >>>>solution often limits mycelium growth.   
   >>> >>>   
   >>> >>>Salt apparently keeps the bacterial growth down.   
   >>> >>>   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >>Salt may have a small affect on bacterial growth. Does that mean   
   >>> >>bacteria are less common on sea shores?   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >>Fungi exist in a wide variety of eco-niches. I'm unconvinced salt is a   
   >>> >>component of those niches. In other words, IMO fungi can out-compete   
   >>> >>with bacteria for many food sources. Some fungi apparently use   
   >>> >>bacteria   
   >>> >>as food sources/supplements.   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >   
   >>> > i must havr missed the mark here, and was miss informed stamets must   
   >>> > go fix   
   >>> > this i assume the second edition of mycelium running will note this   
   >>> > gross   
   >>> > over statement  and i quote from Stamets (2005) Mycelium Running "the   
   >>> > salt   
   >>> > limits bacteria growth without stifling spore germination" Pg. 131 Wow   
   >>> > Paul   
   >>> > you fucked up now. this man challenges you and your buddy Frank   
   >>> > Herbert you   
   >>> > know the doon guy, and the 20 some odd years of trial and error you   
   >>> > did   
   >>> > motha fucka, and how ever long frank has been praticing this shit, a   
   >>> > saged   
   >>> > educated man like you Paul could fuck up so much, man i'd hate to be   
   >>> > in your   
   >>> > shoes, damn this cat outed you, your found out, you dont now shit!   
   >>> >   
   >>> > that sarcasm guy why the fuck do you salt meat for, this discovery   
   >>> > from 5000   
   >>> > years ago was wrong, salt keeps bacteria at bay look it up, damn i   
   >>> > knew that   
   >>> > shit in first grade cat... boom bap surprise oohh! awe sheyot   
   >>> >   
   >>> I haven't read "Mycelium Running," yet. And, the assertion by Stamets   
   >>> that table salt is useful for mushroom culture is novel. I'm certainly   
   >>> no expert, but I've never heard of using salt in the culture process.   
   >>>   
   >>> Salt has been used as a preservative for millennia. At the high   
   >>> concentrations used in food preservation almost no microbes can survive.   
   >>> I can only guess that Stamets is utilizing research that shows fungi and   
   >>> bacteria have different tolerances to salt. And, the levels of salt used   
   >>> in Stamets' formulas probably are effective against only the most common   
   >>> spoilage bacteria. The levels of salt used probably have no effect on   
   >>> other types of bacteria, such as those found in salty environments.   
   >>> Also, since molds are often responsible for contamination and spoilage,   
   >>> and they are also fungi, does salt hold them in check?   
   >>>   
   >>> Salt is used in the fermentation of some foods (sauerkraut, kimchi,   
   >>> etc.) Salt selectively allows beneficial bacteria to grow and ferment   
   >>> the food, while the growth of more harmful spoilage bacteria is slowed,   
   >>> or prevented. In selectively allowing the growth of some organism over   
   >>> others, accurate levels of salt used is probably very important.   
   >> Some fungi obviously don't mind salt. Fungi associated with salty   
   >> soils, and oolitic fungi, for example.   
   >>   
   >> But in general, most fungi avoid salt when possible. Otherwise salt   
   >> licks would be mushroom havens.   
   >>   
   >> Daniel B. Wheeler   
   >>   
   >   
   > LOLOLOL ok this is my last post on this one, your right fungus hates salt   
   > but it tolerates sodium, the slurry is "My assumption here" just to give   
   > the fungus spore a better foot hold that the currently residing bacteria   
   > in the fungus body, remember Paul said that these are old mushrooms past   
   > there prime and the spores are now heavy and the fruit bodies are   
   > decomposing at this point ammonia is building up, bla bla bla salt bla   
   > SALT, playing football in the basement, remember to run wild is tripping   
   > the light fantastic, hay funny story here   
   >   
   > I was sitting around a table at south Florida correctional visiting my   
   > brother "murder was the case that they gave him" any hoo we were talking   
   > about me and my dislike for children "I don't hate children" I avoid kids   
   > that cant talk, I have nothing to offer them, my nephew, my brothers son   
   > hung out with me longer than his own dad, this was actually the first time   
   > I ever held him he is five and lives only 20 miles away so yes I have   
   > issues, now back to the funny thing... my mom said he only likes kids that   
   > can talk back to him, I said  ok this is bad, it was a joke but a poorly   
   > timed one... "yah that why I'm adopting a young Mexican child labor   
   > worker" yah that's as bad as I get, this was a fucked up moment cause were   
   > at a prison visiting center, let not get to politically correct here I   
   > know that there are Mexicans around me, just as you know you don't make a   
   > black joke at KFC "hair out ya butt I'm black" we love chicken and its   
   > true, by the way if you don't there's something wrong with you...   
   >   
   Do you know why blond jokes are all one liners? It's so brunettes can   
   understand them.   
   Kurt   
      
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