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   your lucky I didn't post last night quee, wait a minute, there's no computer   
   in the park by the river where I woke up.   
   Kurt   
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   >> Quee wrote:   
   >>>  wrote in message   
   >>> news:1153848218.556764.283080@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...   
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   >>> > Shaun aRe wrote:   
   >>> >>  wrote in message   
   >>> >> news:1153287437.819763.155770@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...   
   >>> >> >   
   >>> >> > Kurt wrote:   
   >>> >> >> always amazes me, the diference between 'old world' and 'new   
   >>> >> >> world'   
   >>> >> >> fugni.   
   >>> >> >> like parosols   
   >>> >> > [snip]   
   >>> >> > I think it's more cosmopolitan than that, Kurt.   
   >>> >> >   
   >>> >> > David Aurora told me once that worldwide, Amanita is perhaps the   
   >>> >> > most   
   >>> >> > eaten genus of any mushroom. Agaricus as a genus has lots of   
   >>> >> > problems   
   >>> >> > in much of the world regarding edibility.   
   >>> >> >   
   >>> >> > Differences of soil pH may dramatically affect edibility of fungi.   
   >>> >> > That   
   >>> >> > may be one reason why A.m. is edible in some parts of the world,   
   >>> >> > but   
   >>> >> > not others.   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >> I have never heard of ANYWHERE that A.m. is poisonous, outside of the   
   >>> >> 'psychic' effects and some possible G. I. distress.   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >> > Personally, after smelling A.m. more than 2 days old, it is   
   >>> >> > probably   
   >>> >> > better tossed than toasted (sorry, David!).   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >> Then surely it would be best to eat while FRESH Daniel? ',;~}~   
   >>> >>   
   >>> > Don't suggest it. At least until after you read Denis Benjamin's   
   >>> > Mushrooms: Poisons and Panaceas. It may give you a different inside to   
   >>> > toxicity of A.m. elsewhere in the world.   
   >>> >   
   >>> > Daniel B. Wheeler   
   >>> >   
   >>>   
   >>> well i just watched the BBC documentry "Amanita Muscaria - Sacred Weed"   
   >>> they   
   >>> mention that it is widly considerd poisonus when fresh, but we must   
   >>> under   
   >>> stand there is no toxins in it, less you live near shranoble. the deaths   
   >>> attributed to A.M can be a factor of health, and there is thing in a   
   >>> fresh   
   >>> A.M that will cause nausia gasto intestinnal disfuntion, i would also   
   >>> assume   
   >>> some of these death may be attributed to miss identification very common   
   >>> fo   
   >>> two seperat Amanitas to grow side by side since they share the same   
   >>> habitat,   
   >>> dried A.M as most of us know that Ibotanic acid the unstable alcaloid is   
   >>> mostly to blame for the ill effects and when dried it is converted into   
   >>> muscimol, dried, heated over a fire, or urinated   
   >> I guess I worry about your sources. Please read Denis Benjamin's   
   >> Mushrooms: Poisons and Panaceas.   
   >>   
   >> Here is a small quote:   
   >>   
   >> from pg. 141: "Collections of Amanita muscaria lacking appreciable   
   >> concentratins of ibotenic acid or muscimol have been described.(3)   
   >> People in a number of communities, especially in the southwestern   
   >> portion of Washington State, claim to have eten Amanita muscaria for   
   >> many years without any ill effects. Great variabion in toxicity is the   
   >> rule, although the factors influencing the concentration of any   
   >> particular toxin are entirely unknown."   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps one of the best resources for poisoning cases in the world in   
   >> the poisoning registrar of the North American Mycological Association   
   >> (NAMA). On page 155 of "Mushrooms: Poisons and Panaceas" Benjamin notes   
   >> that for the years 1984-87, 14 cases of Amanita muscaria poisoning were   
   >> reported. In defense of the mushroom, it should also be noted that NAMA   
   >> poisoning guidelines include mild fever (which could also indicate   
   >> immuno-activation), and hallucinations (which A.m. is noted for).   
   >>   
   >> Daniel B. Wheeler   
   >> www.oregonwhitetruffles.com   
   >>   
   > again like I assumed it is from exposure to sob toxins like botanic acids   
   > and such these effects are not of the musamol but other toxins in the A.M.   
   > "too drunk to explain" but its the other shit that kill's as I said bla   
   > bla bla help Kurt, I'm not that coherent   
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