From: sebmb1@verizon.net   
      
   On 12/21/2023 4:59 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:   
   > In article <201220232313381523%nope@noway.com>, A Friend   wrote:   
      
   > Anyway, I would suggest, to our Mac-using friends, that they try out   
   > Thunderbird.  Personally, I've never used it for Usenet news, since A) I   
   > don't have a Mac (anymore) and B) I'm perfectly happy with Adam's choice of   
   > tools (trn and Vim), but I've seen other people use it (on Windows and on   
   > Linux, but I assume it works the same on Mac) and it seems to work pretty   
   > well.  The point is that it has two things going for it, that less   
   > sophisticated users will like:   
   >      1) It is GUI (unlike mine and Adam's choices)   
   >      2) The basic model should already be familiar since it builds on the   
   > 	idea of email - something most people should already be familiar with.   
   > 	I.e., most people (i.e., the people we are talking about here)   
   > 	really have no mental picture of how Usenet actually works, so when   
   > 	we discuss NNTP servers and stuff like that, their eyes glaze over.   
      
   I use Thunderbird for reading Usenet and it works fairly well.  The one   
   caveat is that there's no killfile capability, at least not that I am   
   aware of.   
      
   But it's important for this discussion to keep in mind, and to remind   
   users, that there are two pieces to the puzzle.  One is selecting a   
   newsreader.  The other is choosing a news server to connect to.   
      
   Most of the news servers have a cost associated.  Free options are few.   
   The most well known free one is eternal-september, which I use.   
   However, the signup process has recently become more complex with user   
   authorization being required.  I don't remember exactly what I did to   
   get set up with it this time around, but it wasn't simple.   
      
   I notice, by the way, that the problem with eternal-september dropping   
   posts seems to have abated.   
      
     - seb   
      
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