From: lenona321@yahoo.com   
      
   And here's one more comment that I'm posting separately because of its length:   
       
       
   McMerseybird:   
   "A similar thing is sometimes seen in the autistic community. I am very   
   anti-eugenics, but some people in that community are taking it too far. I once   
   saw a post somewhere from someone who said that they didn't really want to be   
   a parent, but they    
   decided to pass on their autistic genes as a fuck you to eugenics. They   
   believed that if more autistic people would be born, it would be harder for   
   non-autistic eugenics supporters to get rid of us.   
      
   "My girlfriend and I are autistic. We don't experience the desire to be a   
   parent. We can't stand children. Parenthood would be our biggest nightmare.   
   This has NOTHING to do with the fact that we would probably pass on our autism   
   if we had children. Sadly,   
    some people in the autistic community accused us of eugenics. They said that   
   we owe the autistic community children. That we should have children, to make   
   it harder for non-autistic people to get rid of our kind. One time, someone in   
   a Facebook group    
   for autistic people compared my girlfriend and me to Hitler, for practicing   
   eugenics because we aren't having kids.   
      
   "Another common view in the autistic community that is very toxic is how they   
   are anti-euthanasia. They take their anti-eugenics views too far and see   
   eugenics when it's not there.   
      
   "Where I live, euthanasia is legal, but the rules are very strict. You have to   
   request euthanasia yourself. Others can't do that for you. You need to have a   
   diagnosed disorder or illness. And you can only get euthanasia if your   
   suffering is unbearable    
   and if there is no reasonable other solution. And even if you meet the legal   
   requirements, most doctors won't do it. The law doesn't make a difference   
   between mental health issues or physical health issues, but getting euthanasia   
   for mental health issues    
   is almost impossible. Most euthanasia requests are denied."    
      
   "Sadly, American autism activists act as if autistic people in the Netherlands   
   and Belgium are euthanised against their will by the state, requested by the   
   parents of autistic people. This is total bullshit. First of all, the very few   
   autistic people who    
   manage to get the euthanasia they want, really really really want to die and   
   requested this themselves. So they aren't murdered against their will. Most of   
   the times, the parents are against it, so the idea that parents want this is   
   bullshit. This isn't    
   the state or parents mass murdering autistic people, even though American   
   activists love to paint it as such. This is about many individuals wanting to   
   die and a few individuals being lucky enough to get help from a doctor, so   
   they can die in a peaceful    
   way instead of suffer for years or hope that a painful suicide attempt is   
   successful.   
      
   "And some extremists even became anti-abortion, because aborting a disabled   
   fetus would be eugenics.   
      
   "Yes, of course people who want to be parents need to accept that they might   
   get a disabled child. But still, even if someone who wants kids would abort a   
   disabled fetus, I would NEVER want to interfere with their right to choose.   
   Their body, their    
   choice.   
      
   "Anti-eugenics views are a good thing. But it sucks when that is taken too   
   far, to the point where people are anti-childfreedom, anti-euthanasia and   
   anti-abortion, even if not wanting kids or wanting to die has nothing to do   
   with eugenics. It's not the    
   state preventing autistic people from being born or the state murdering   
   autistic people. This is about individual people who just don't want to be   
   parents or people who really want to die.   
      
   "As anti-eugenics as I am, my pro-choice, pro-bodily autonomy views always   
   come first. Even if that means that many other autistic people will hate me."    
      
      
   anna-the-bunny:   
   "As an autistic person, I genuinely find this sort of thing disturbing. I   
   suffered a lot during my childhood because of my autism, and that's not   
   something I'd wish on anyone else. To knowingly force a child to go through   
   the same thing I did is    
   unthinkable, especially if my only reason for doing so was 'so there'll be   
   more autistic people in the world.' "   
      
   "If your only goal is the proliferation of autism, congratulations - you're a   
   eugenicist. You just view different genes as desirable."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)