From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   David Carson  wrote:   
   >Thu, 18 Jul 2024 06:31:30 +0200, Steve Hayes :   
      
   >>But is there any evidence that Trump is conservative?   
      
   >Yes. He governed like one.   
      
   >>He seems rather to represent the radical right, rather than   
   >>conservative anything.   
      
   >In politics, "right" and "conservative" are synonymous.   
      
   Blanket statements recognizing no nuance are always helpful.   
      
   As you should have learned in school, "left" and "right" originated in   
   Parliament in France. In 1789, those who were loyal to the (not yet   
   executed) king sat at the president of the assembly's right, and those   
   supporting the French Revolution on his left.   
      
   "Right" and "left" in American politics have a social and behavioral   
   baggage attached, depending on how much interference OR what kind of   
   interference in human behavior they want regulated by government.   
      
   Traditionally, conservatism was a subset of [classical] liberalism in   
   which societal change wasn't flat-out opposed, they just wanted change   
   to be gradual and well thought out as opposed to being radically   
   implemented overnight.   
      
   >>Conservatives want to maintain the status quo,   
      
   >That is often correct outside of the realm of politics. In politics,   
   >it only explains how the labels of liberal and conservative got   
   >applied to the left and right wings originally. But going forward, no.   
   >That means you would have to relabel which side is which whenever the   
   >status quo changes.   
      
   Liberals in the 1960s would be condemned today as failing all sorts of   
   progressive litmus tests.   
      
   Conservatives these days include a great many Protestant religious types   
   who would wish to impose their religious views upon society in a way   
   that would have horrified conservatives in the 1950s and 1960s.   
      
   >Think about it. The current status quo in the   
   >United States is that millions of people are allowed to illegally   
   >cross our border, remain in the country, and receive a smorgasbord of   
   >rights and benefits. No one would call the people who want to maintain   
   >that radical status quo, "conservative."   
      
   Those who are ignorant of history...   
      
   You never heard of Ronald Reagan and the amendments to the Immigration   
   and Naturalization Act his administration negotiated with Congress, that   
   he signed into law. These are the major provisions of law mostly still   
   in effect today.   
      
   You don't recall amnesty, do you.   
      
   Ronald Reagan's farewell address included numerous positive statements   
   about immigration.   
      
   There were many decades in which labor unions lobbied against easing   
   immigration restrictions to keep wages artificially high, and they had   
   allies among both Democrats and Republicans. Although more often than   
   not, Republicans have favored fewer immigration restrictions than   
   Democrats over the decades.   
      
   George W. Bush tried and failed to negotiate legislation that would have   
   had fewer immigration restrictions.   
      
   Pretty much no one cared about immigration when Mexican illegals   
   generally entered into California.   
      
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