From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Louis Epstein  wrote:   
   >Adam H. Kerman  wrote:   
   >>David Carson  wrote:   
   >>>Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:06:01 -0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein :   
      
   >>>>>You don't get to declare the organic document not a constitution.   
      
   >>>>Organic documents can be of varying degrees of effect and solemnity.   
      
   >>>>If a more perfect union is desired a different type of document   
   >>>>may be called for than an initially attempted option.   
      
   >>>And yet you don't recognize that Alfred's last name is Pennyworth   
   >>>because he had a different surname in his rookie year in the comics.   
      
   >>I never ever knew his name was Pennyworth till much later. What was the   
   >>original first name?   
      
   >Alfred's the first name...his LAST name kept changing.   
      
   I meant the original last name.   
      
   >>I don't know this one.   
      
   >Alfred originally introduced himself as the son of a butler   
   >known as "Jarvis",and butlers/valets are usually known by their   
   >surnames,viz. the equally fictional (Reginald) Jeeves and   
   >(Mervyn) Bunter of Wodehouse and Sayers.   
   >Thus,he was implicitly Alfred JARVIS.   
      
   If what you are saying is correct, the character was not introduced with   
   a first name and that's a retcon.   
      
   >Not long after that some writer who didn't understand this   
   >named him Alfred BEAGLE.   
      
   >Decades after that,incidentally after the TV show was cancelled,   
   >some other slouch decided he was Alfred PENNYWORTH.   
      
   In the comic books, a movie, or the subsequent tv series?   
      
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