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   J.D. Baldwin to mshaw@panix.com   
   Re: Thomas Kurtz, co-creator of BASIC, 9   
   18 Nov 24 13:56:09   
   
   From: INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com.invalid   
      
   In the previous article, Mark Shaw   wrote:   
   >     (Bloomberg) -- Thomas E. Kurtz, a Dartmouth College professor   
   >     who co-created the novice-friendly computer code known as Basic   
   >     during the 1960s and helped make it the industry standard for   
   >     programmers during the rise of personal computing, has died.   
   >     He was 96.   
      
       It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students   
       that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers   
       they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.   
      
               - Edsger Dijkstra   
      
   I love Dijkstra's attitude toward BASIC and COBOL and APL, but I don't   
   think that is factually accurate.  Just to use myself as an example, I   
   learned BASIC on the very Dartmouth OS Kurtz worked in, and I went on   
   to teach myself PL/I and to be the top undergrad student in math (with   
   a computer "concentration") at my (selective) school, and then to earn   
   a scholarship to a fairly prestigious graduate program in the field,   
   where I finished with very respectable grades.  I furthermore went on   
   to teach the subject at the university level for a few years, and did   
   pretty well at that.  I know other counter-examples.   
      
   But Dijsktra is certainly correct insofar as the whole field would   
   have been better off if BASIC had simply never been created.  If you   
   can learn BASIC, you can learn Pascal or PL/I and be way better off   
   right from the start.   
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