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|    MI5-Victim@mi5.gov.uk to All    |
|    MI5-Persecution: MI5 are Afraid to Admit    |
|    16 Dec 07 17:04:25    |
      XPost: alt.sex.stories.cuckold, alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis,       alt.travel.uk.air       XPost: gay-net.sprachen              MI5 are Afraid to Admit They're Behind the Persecution              MI5 have issued a formal denial of any involvement in my life to the       Security Service Tribunal, as you might expect them to; but, more       importantly, the persecutors have never denied that theyre from the       Security Service, despite several years of accusations from my corner on       usenet and in faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security Service       Tribunal found "no determination in your favour". I am however a little       surprised that the persecutors have refused to confirm my identification       of them; by doing so, they implicitly admit that my guess was right.              "No determination in your favour" says the Security Service Tribunal              In 1997, I made a complaint to the Security Service Tribunal, giving only       the bare outlines of my case. I do not think it would have made very much       difference if Id made a much more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal       has no ability to perform investigatory functions. It can only ask MI5 if       they have an interest in a subject, to which MI5 are of course free to be       "economical with the truth". A couple of months after my complaint the       Tribunal replied that;              The Security Service Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and       have asked me to inform you that no determination in your favour has been       made on your complaint.              Needless to say this reply didnt surprise me in the slightest. It is a       well established fact that the secret service are a den of liars and the       Tribunal a toothless watchdog, so to see them conforming to these       stereotypes might be disappointing but unsurprising.              It is noteworthy that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff information       on whether the "no determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to       have no interest in him, or whether they claim their interest is       "justified". In the 1997 report of the Security Service Commissioner he       writes that "The ambiguity of the terms in which the notification of the       Tribunals decision is expressed is intentional", since a less ambiguous       answer would indicate to the plaintiff whether he were indeed under MI5       surveillance. But I note that the ambiguity also allows MI5 to get away       with lying to the question of their interest in me; they can claim to the       Tribunal that they have no interest, but at a future date, when it becomes       clear that they did indeed place me under surveillance and harassment,       they can claim their interest was "justified" - and the Tribunal will       presumably not admit that in their previous reply MI5 claimed to have no       interest.              "He doesnt know who we are"              In early January 1996 I flew on a British Airways jet from London to       Montreal; also present on the plane, about three or four rows behind me,       were two young men, one of them fat and voluble, the other silent. It was       quite clear that these two had been planted on the aircraft to "wind me       up". The fat youth described the town in Poland where I had spent       Christmas, and made some unpleasant personal slurs against me. Most       interestingly, he said the words, "he doesnt know who we are".              Now I find this particular form of words very interesting, because while       it is not a clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt at denial       of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had my guess been wrong, the fat youth       would surely have said so more clearly. What he was trying to do was to       half-deny something he knew to be true, and he was limited to making       statements which he knew to be not false; so he made a lukewarm denial       which on the face of it means nothing, but in fact acts as a confirmation       of my guess of who "they" are.              On one of the other occasions when I saw the persecutors in person, on the       BA flight to Toronto in June 1993, one of the group of four men said, "if       he tries to run away well find him". But the other three stayed totally       quiet and avoided eye contact. They did so to avoid being apprehended and       identified - since if they were identified, their employers would have       been revealed, and it would become known that it was the secret services       who were behind the persecution.              Why are MI5 So Afraid to admit their involvement?              If you think about it, what has been going on in Britain for the last nine       years is simply beyond belief. The British declare themselves to be       "decent" by definition, so when they engage in indecent activities such as       the persecution of a mentally ill person, their decency "because were       British" is still in the forefront of their minds, and a process of mental       doublethink kicks in, where their antisocial and indecent activities are       blamed on the victim "because its his fault were persecuting him", and       their self-regard and self-image of decency remains untarnished. As       remarked in another article some time ago, this process is basically the       same as a large number of Germans employed fifty years ago against Slavic       "untermenschen" and the Jewish "threat" - the Germans declared, "Germans       are known to be decent and the minorities are at fault for what we do to       them" - so they were able to retain the view of themselves as being       "decent".              Now suppose this entire episode had happened in some other country. The       British have a poor view of the French, so lets say it had all happened in       France. Suppose there was a Frenchman, of non-French extraction, who was       targeted by the French internal security apparatus, for the dubious       amusement of French television newscasters, and tortured for 9 years with       various sexual and other verbal abuse and taunts of "suicide". Suppose       this all came out into the open. Naturally, the French authorities would       try hard to place the blame on their victim - and in their own country,       through the same state-controlled media which the authorities employ as       instruments of torture, their view might prevail - but what on earth would       people overseas make of their actions? Where would their "decency" be       then?              This is why MI5 are so afraid to admit theyre behind the       persecution. Because if they did admit responsibility, then they would be       admitting that there was an action against me - and if the truth came out,       then the walls would come tumbling down. And if the persecutors were to       admit they were from MI5, then you can be sure I would report the       fact; and the persecutors support would fall away, among the mass media as       well as among the general public. When I started identifying MI5 as the       persecutors in 1995 and 1996 there was a sharp reduction in media       harassment, since people read my internet newsgroup posts and knew I was       telling the truth. The persecutors cannot deny my claim that theyre MI5,       because then I would report their denial and they would be seen as liars -       but they cannot admit it either, as that would puncture their campaign       against me. So they are forced to maintain a ridiculous silence on the       issue of their identity, in the face of vociferous accusations on internet              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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