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|    wild bill to All    |
|    Re: Custer at LBH / The End    |
|    06 Jan 08 13:35:13    |
      From: bronco357@webtv.net               Is the glass half full or half empty?       Its the same thing as with people, whether a person is a novice, or a       researcher.       I think its how you look at things and what conclusions you want to       draw.              People should question whether Indian oral tradition is reliable. Most       anthropologists say it is not. It varies according to what the narrator       thinks the listener expects or want to hear, and shifts with time as the       narrator ages and turns his recollections into a set piece story. Mr.       Richard Fox, who did the archaeology of the battlefield after the fire       in the 80's largely discounts it.       Also, earlier testimony is more reliable than testimony. What the       survivors said immediately after the battle is far more reliable than       what they say after politics began, and blame and e×oneration and       excuses took over. In other words, what was told to Terry's command       immediately after the battle would be far more truthful than what came       later. I tend to discount any account that was cooked up by various       parties later, in the midst of a national furor. I believe, for example,       that Godfrey moved from nutrality to hostility toward Benteen and Reno       as the controversy deepened.       Conspiracy theories are fun, but simply ignore the chaotic conditions in       battles that make plans go awry. In most of the current writings, I       feel/think that most material is over analyzed. I do not feel that       Benteen was maliciously withholding support from Custer. The reality was       probably simpler and more innocent. He was most likely trying to spare       his gravely exhausted horses. There could be nothing worse than going       into a fight on horses too worn to move. He probably was moving at a       fast trot. A gait that spares horses but still eats up miles. That makes       sense to a actual cavalryman but is too mundane for the armchair       conspiracy theorists. I think one of the silliest results of the Custer       battle is that people accumulate evidence to support theories that the       battle was won or lost as a result of malice. Most likely, the disaster       was the result of chaos, accident or bad communication. Remember, the       man that Custer sent to the supply train to bring packs could barely       speak english.              As for the death of Custer, we both agree he was found on Last Stand       Hill, with several members of his staff around him.       That should be as expected, due to who he was, not just as the       commander.       His body was taken from the LBH on the steamer Far West, along with all       the wounded back to Ft. Lincoln and Libby.       I am unable to locate any information that said he was buried at the       battlefield and then removed later. If you have the source please advise       me.       I have stood at the top of Reno Hill and on my first visit, was able to       walk over halfway to the river. You are correct in stating that this is       rough terrain to the river. However, with the flow of adrenalin and       people shooting at you, your progress may be faster than normal. As you       said, there was a lull in the fight at this time.       However, there were Indians left there to keep them pinned down. After       Benteen and the packtrain arrived, there was an attempt to open a path       to Custer. But they were pushed back from Weir Point back to their       original position.              As for the book, Little Big Horn Remembered by Herman J. Viola, he is       the Curator Emeritus of the Smithsonian       Institution and former director of the Smithsonian's National       Anthropological Archives. He is also the biographer of Senator Ben       Nighthorse Campbell       whose Cheyenne grandfather Blackhorse fought at TLB. He is also the       adopted brother of Joseph Medicine Crow, whose grandfather was White Man       Runs Him.              LBH facts: Custer was killed exactly where and when is a moot point.       He is still dead.       In a way, he got exactly what he wanted,       to go down in history. However, I think he wanted to be alive to enjoy       it.       If Custer had done as he was told and/or       taken the gattling guns and/or the infantry       all this second guessing would not be necessary.       The Indians won the battle, but lost the war.              Discussing the LBH battle is like discussing religion. No one will ever       change another's mind when they feel they are correct in their thoughts.              Another good book, besides the ones we have discussed is;       Archaeology, History and Custer's Last Battle by Richard Allan Fo×,       University of Oklahoma Press.        "OLD" Wild Bill              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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