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|    Gerald Clough to Coalbunny    |
|    Re: Pics with Dead People    |
|    10 May 04 20:27:57    |
      From: firstinitiallastname@texas.net              Coalbunny wrote:                     > Gerald, while I feel that in many instances such an action would be       beneficial       > to a community, I always think of the other side of the coin- what if these       guys       > are just looking for a reason to do someone in? Like come on Gerald, you       can't       > tell me that never happened! Even today cops harass people they don't like.       > Back then I'd figure it was easier. E.G.- Someone is robbed and so       they"look"       > for the person. They find the guy they don't like, and kill him, claiming he       > fought back. Regardless if he did it or not, and regardless if he fought       back       > or not. Hell, he may not have even been armed.       >       > Please realize that's only an example. But it could have happened.        Everything       > has a downside.       > Carl              The most frequently killed "innocents" were probably in cases where       unknown bandits were hunted, and the first group that fit the profile       got wacked.              But if you study reliable accounts, what strikes the modern eye is how       often known crooks were allowed to go on for years before anyone took       them in hand and finally mustered the gumption to decorate an convenient       oak tree with their carcasses.              Your notion that a significant number of incidents had someone doing in       someone they just didn't like, using an unrelated bad man as an excuse       grows, I think, out of a couple of errors. One was that the west was as       full of annonymous folks as today's cities. When you read contemporary       accounts by those who participated in events, its remarkable how many       people on the frontier knew so many of the same people. It's really       striking when you find that people like Charlie Siringo and James Cook,       both of whom wrote very readable accounts of their lives, ran across the       same characters in their travels. In small communities, someone who       committed a heinous act was well-known and recognized by many, if not       all who pursued them.              The other is the mistaken believe that most people on the frontier would        kill casually and frequently. I think this grows out of a practical       reality for people in places where there is no effective law. A quite       clear distinction was made between types of homicide.              One has been called "an unfortunate happening", including such things as       two people with a history of bad blood meeting in the wrong time and       mood and events taking their course. Considered unfortunate, but       understandable. And likely not punished or even held very strongly       against the survivor.              Another has been call "a killing", which was something considered       necessary. It might involve a continuing high hazard to the community or       a man who declared he would kill another the next time he saw him.       Should the person threatened come out on top, it was considered       justified. There was one here, a long time ago. A sheriff of Caldwell       County was shotgunned as he walked home one evening. Everyone knew who       had done it, because more than a few saw it happen. In about 1978, I       talked to an old man who saw it when he was a boy. I have never learned       what the sheriff had been doing to make the community feel it was       justified, but the shooter mover two counties over and was never pursued       or charged.              The third was "murder", killing for meanness or to steal. And "a       killing" might naturally follow, should no effective legal recourse be       at hand.              This isn't to say that a known crook didn't, from time to time, get       wacked for something he hadn't actually done. But most often he was       really getting wacked for doing many other things like it, without which       he wouldn't be targetted.              And if you happen to live somewhere where it's generally true that the       police harrass those they arbitrarily take a dislike to, you should       actively protest it. I personally don't know many who have time to       harrass innocents, having far too much to do with real crooks.              Orwell's line:       --        Gerald Clough        "Nothing has any value, unless you know you can give it up."              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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