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|    Message 986 of 1,275    |
|    John Dean to Dave in Toronto    |
|    Re: "Real" cowboys in the early western     |
|    30 Oct 06 15:09:17    |
      From: john-dean@fraglineone.net              Dave in Toronto wrote:       > Bob Tiernan wrote:       >> Dave in Toronto wrote:       >>       >>> Bob Tiernan wrote:       >>       >>>> He fed John Ford a bullshit version of OK Corral,       >>>> which Ford then used in My Darling Clementine.       >>>> Earp was, I think, sick of talking about OK       >>>> Corral (which he said was just 30 seconds of       >>>> his life) and probably liked to screw with       >>>> people in his old age.       >>       >>       >>> I think he did with Stuart Lake when Lake was       >>> researching his *biography* "Frontier Marshall"       >>       >>       >> I've not read that version. Anyway, another       >> poster said in response to all of this that       >> after Ford heard the story first hand he       >> "went ahead and made MDC anyway", implying       >> that Ford's version of the gunfight had       >> little to do with what Earp told him. But       >> my point was that Ford claimed he based it on       >> what Earp told him, so we have to go with that.       >>       >> I don't really mind MDC, but would like it more       >> if it used fictional names for the characters       >> and the town.       >>       >> Bob T       >       >       >       > As a movie I liked MDC as well, despite it's inaccuracies. Some       > beautiful compositions and some great performances. There was an       > earlier version of the OK corral shootout where fictional names were       > used - "Law and Order" with Walter Huston playing the Wyatt Earp       > character - It was made in 1932 so it creaks a bit with age but it's       > well worth a look if you can find it.       >       > Are there any accurate historical records of how long the shootout       > lasted? I've read that the actual time span was very short - about       > fifteen seconds or something.       >              General opinion seems to be thirty seconds, based on testimony from the       survivors and witnesses. No-one was holding a stopwatch so it's a matter of       taking folks' word for it, relating to the type of situation where       judgements of time are notoriously inaccurate. However, everyone is agreed       that it was pretty much a stand-up, face to face business without the       convoluted running around that several films have shown so there's no reason       that an affair involving a bunch of men popping off at each other from a       distance of 10 feet or so would have lasted very long.       There's a lot of detail here, including actual witness statements:       http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/earp/earphome.html       --       John Dean       Oxford              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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