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   From: timberwoof@stimpberawoofm.com   
      
   In article ,   
    Liam Slider  wrote:   
      
   > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:50:44 +0000, Timberwoof wrote:   
   >   
   > > In article ,   
   > >  Liam Slider  wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:21:40 +0000, Brent wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> > On 2/13/05 12:32 AM, in article   
   > >> > pan.2005.02.13.05.32.50.593621@NOSPAM.liamslider.com, "Liam Slider"   
   > >> >  wrote:   
   > >> >   
   > >> >> I haven't exactly used OSX. However I can tell you a bit about   
   > >> >> Linux. The whole "fiddling with config files" claim is pretty damn   
   > >> >> well a thing of the distant past, unless you like fiddling with   
   > >> >> config files. Consistancy that Mac users brag about is there. Linux   
   > >> >> is usually easy to install, in fact there was a recent comparison of   
   > >> >> installations between Windows, OSX, and Linux, and Linux was   
   > >> >> considered comparable to OSX. Ease of use is there, GNOME is so   
   > >> >> simple to use anyone could use it. I'd compare it quite well as a DE   
   > >> >> with how I've heard Macs describes, and GNOME follows strict HiG as   
   > >> >> well....just like OSX does. Linux gets more life out of old   
   > >> >> hardware, just as Apple claims to.   
   > >> >   
   > >> > Comparing Ubuntu Linux and YDL on a PPC Mac to OSX, I find the OSX   
   > >> > has much more easy functionality plus a terminal window to boot.  The   
   > >> > Linux is smaller, and runs better on my G3 Pismo laptop than OSX,   
   > >> > though OS9 was pretty good on the laptop.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> Well, I was talking about on x86...but damn, no terminal window? WTF?   
   > >   
   > > Steve;s original vision for the Mac was "no command line" and that   
   > > pretty much stayed with that OS to the end. But to be fair, MPW   
   > > (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop) did have a fairly powerful command   
   > > line interface.   
   >   
   >   
   > Yeah, but he's talking about a PPC Linux having no command line, and   
   > that's just confusing as hell.   
      
   Confusing as hell is how you get from "I find the OSX has much more easy   
   functionality plus a terminal window to boot" to "a PPC Linux having no command   
   line."   
      
      
      
   > >> > I am using Linux to extend the life of my laptop computer - and it   
   > >> > seems to work pretty well.  I have trouble with getting 24 bit color   
   > >> > (millions of colors) in graphics and getting CD's to play.  OSX and   
   > >> > OS9 did not have these issues at all - and the ease of setup were   
   > >> > good things.   
   > >>   
   > >> Never had either of these problems with x86 hardware.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> > I am also able to use a command line in OSX.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> Yeah, I still have to give a, "WTF!?"   
   > >   
   > > Hunh? Would you clarify the reasons for that? I don't dare make any   
   > > assumptions about what you mean here.   
   >   
   > The reasons are, that he's been saying that on the Linux he was   
   > running...no command line.   
   >   
   >   
   > >> > I do not find Linux comparable to OSX, at least in my case.  Linux is   
   > >> > smaller, speedier on the same hardware, but does not have the same   
   > >> > amount of polish without a LOT of end user work.  And in my case, I   
   > >> > may never get the full functionality out the my computer due to the   
   > >> > drivers' availability!   
   > >> >   
   > >> > I will still use Linux on the laptop, but my desktop is remaining   
   > >> > OSX.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> I'm guessing, just guessing from *all* the reports, that Linux is just   
   > >> a lot less polished on PPC hardware than it is on x86 hardware. I guess   
   > >> it'll have to catch up if we want to snag Mac users.   
   > >   
   > > Yellow Dog Linux is a port of Red Hat Linux. They do a good job of   
   > > keeping it up to date. I don't think it's an issue of PPC/x86 hardware.   
   > > Linux, even in the coolest, most recent RedHat or SuSe incarnation, has   
   > > this rough-edged clunkiness to it -- something that a software engineer   
   > > might not see, but that someone with a background in UI design or QA   
   > > would definitely see.   
   >   
   > Please. I have seen complaint after complaint about PPC Linux that simply   
   > do not crop up any more on modern x86 distros.   
      
   I'm talking about modern x86 distros.   
      
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