From: muta...@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:24:50 AM UTC+8, Dan Cross wrote:   
   > In article <7b9aa448-d583-4d1c...@googlegroups.com>,   
   > muta...@gmail.com  wrote:    
   > >On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:19:28 AM UTC+8, Dan Cross wrote:    
   > >> >> >Communists are very good at the "to each according to    
   > >> >> >their need" (and they always "need" a lot), but when it    
   > >> >> >comes to "from each according to their ability", they all    
   > >> >> >suddenly have sore backs.    
   > >> >> >    
   > >> >> >Now that PDOS exists I can point them to it and say "ok,    
   > >> >> >you love communism - what can you contribute according    
   > >> >> >to your ability - documentation? testing?".    
   > >> >> >    
   > >> >> >Of course they're not going to contribute anything.    
   > >> >> >    
   > >> >> >I just want to show them up for being slimebag commies.    
   > >> >    
   > >> >> Have you considered that people may not want to contribute to    
   > >> >> your project because they don't want to work with you, or find    
   > >> >> it technically substandard, or aren't interested in spending    
   > >> >> time on an eighth-baked toy?    
   > >> >    
   > >> >It's just an example. They can write their own public    
   > >> >domain OS, or do something else to benefit the world.    
   > >> >They don't need a communist government to force    
   > >> >them to do that.    
   > >    
   > >> Except your "example" doesn't follow; it's specious. Your    
   > >> statement amounted to suggesting that people who don't    
   > >> contribute to your hobby project should be "called out" because    
   > >> they're communists, while failing to consider that maybe they    
   > >> just don't want to work with you because you behave like a    
   > >> petulent child.    
   > >    
   > >I made no such statement. That's just bullshit you made up.   
      
   > It's quoted right there.   
      
   Again - you misunderstood the above.   
      
   If they were following Marx and working 2 jobs and giving   
   away one of those wages to help orphans, ok, fair enough.   
      
   But they will likely have an excuse for that.   
      
   But they clearly have time to spew bullshit about how great   
   communism is on the internet.   
      
   So I will put PDOS in front of them - which can all be done   
   from the keyboard, and ask them for their excuse for that.   
      
   I mentioned documentation and testing for a reason.   
      
   They can't claim that they don't have programming skills,   
   so shucks, another avenue to contributing something   
   shut down.   
      
   But their "needs" are still going strong.   
      
   > >> >> >And the commies can improve PDOS for free. Or rather,    
   > >> >> >be called out for not doing that.    
   > >> >    
   > >> >> So you're suggesting that anyone who's not interested in working    
   > >> >> on your little toy hobby project should be "called out"?    
   > >> >    
   > >> >No. Commies should be called out for insisting that they    
   > >> >need a communist government, because Marx's ideals    
   > >> >can't be satisfied under a capitalist system.    
   > >    
   > >> No, what you said is that, "the commies can ... be called out    
   > >> for not doing that [improving PDOS]."    
   > >    
   > >You misunderstood. When commies complain about    
   > >Microsoft etc and we need a communist government,    
   > >I will challenge them to show me what is preventing    
   > >them from following Marx within the capitalist system.    
   > >    
   > >PDOS is something I can point them to AS AN EXAMPLE.   
      
   > And they might turn around and say, "and work with that    
   > whackjob? No thanks."   
      
   Sure. So create a non-whackjob OS.   
      
   > >If they counter "oh - i never realized i could contribute    
   > >according to my ability - and i have the ability to cure    
   > >cancer - i'll develop it over the next 30 years for free",    
   > >that's perfectly fine. And another demonstration of    
   > >living up to Marx's fantasy world without needing to    
   > >impose communism on everyone.   
      
   > You seem overly fixated on communism. It's honestly kind of    
   > weird.    
      
   It's a pretty sick ideology, and it hasn't been completely defeated,   
   as the (minority) decent Venezuelans found out.   
      
   > >[quote random drivel]   
   > >BTW, Linas made a similar claim about Linux. That it    
   > >would never be as good as SCO.   
      
   > Linus said that about GNU, not SCO.   
      
   That's what I said. But it wasn't GNU, it was Linux.   
      
   > >> seriously as any kind of "challenge" to, well, anything.    
   > >>    
   > >> Because it's not. Because it is a toy.    
   > >    
   > >Again - what you are calling a "toy" is all the public actually    
   > >owns.   
      
   > Collective ownership: what a communist idea.   
      
   Exactly. Exactly what the commies claim to want.   
      
   Ok sunshine - time to put up or shut up.   
      
   > >And that "toy" still allows you to develop a replacement    
   > >OS more to your liking in a high level language.   
      
   > So does Linux. Or FreeBSD. Or, for that matter, Windows.   
      
   Yes, and they are all copyrighted.   
      
   > >If that's a "toy" to you - fine, I don't really care what a    
   > >slimebag pseudo-commie like you thinks. Other than    
   > >I want to make sure your bullshit is countered in the    
   > >free marketplace of ideas.   
      
   > I think I've sufficiently demonstrated that you're wrong on the    
   > merits that I can bow out now. Have fun!    
      
   No, you've only demonstrated that you are a jackass.   
      
   I "sensed" that a little bit earlier.   
      
   BFN. Paul.   
      
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