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   mutazilah@gmail.com to wolfgang kern   
   Re: PD computer   
   05 Apr 23 16:11:11   
   
   From: muta...@gmail.com   
      
   On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 5:31:20 AM UTC+8, wolfgang kern wrote:   
      
   > >> you cannot just fiddle an FPGA into any laptop:    
   >    
   > > As already explained in the thread, I'm not after    
   > > "any laptop".    
   > > I'm after a laptop specifically designed for the FPGA    
   > > in question.   
      
   > such just doesn't exist. FPGAs are much too expensive to be used in mass    
   > production and they are slow and power hungry too.   
      
   We already established earlier in the thread that they   
   don't exist and noone wants to make them, so you've   
   now repeated that.   
      
   And that's fine. I was simply asking the question. If   
   the hobbyist (or whatever) market is too small that   
   no-one wants to pre-make these computers, so be it.   
      
   Note that it doesn't necessarily need to be "mass   
   production". I was just after pre-made.   
      
   > >> * the socket wont match    
   > >> * and even if: the power pins are somewhere else    
   > >> * supply voltages are different    
   > >> * the bus system wont fit neither in size nor impedance    
   > >> * all the on-chip gates need to be addressed and configured    
   > >> * how would it boot at all w/o a setup memory controller ?    
   >    
   > > So first can you tell me which of the above will not    
   > > be possible to overcome for a *specifically designed    
   > > laptop*?   
      
   > almost all of the above because no sane manufacturer would waste money    
   > for such a laptop.   
      
   I take that as "none of them are applicable, it is indeed   
   possible to build such a laptop - just no-one has so far,   
   and I don't see market potential personally".   
      
   > I already mentioned it: buy yourself an FPGA evaluation board.    
   > and then show us how you make a UART control a hard-disk :)    
      
   I could demonstrate it in qemu if you think it isn't possible   
   to get disk sectors via the serial port. There used to be   
   something called the "$25 network". I didn't use it myself,   
   but that may have done the same thing. Probably more   
   robust and feature-filled than I would write.   
      
   BFN. Paul.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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