From: james.harris.1@gmail.com   
      
   On 16/11/2023 06:53, wolfgang kern wrote:   
   > On 15/11/2023 15:43, James Harris wrote:   
   >> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at 11:23:53 UTC, James Harris wrote:   
   >>> "wolfgang kern"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:mba6dr$29p$2...@speranza.aioe.org...   
   >   
   >> Hello, again, Wolfgang et al.   
   >   
   > Hi James,   
   >   time passed by but we are still alive, me at least particular.   
   > interesting that old posts are archived for that long.   
      
   Google bought Deja and has lengthy archives of a.o.d with, fortunately,   
   the ability still to respond to old threads.   
      
   I hope Google will keep them indefinitely; there has been some great   
   content on this newsgroup over the years and I still refer back to it   
   from time to time.   
      
   > but this whole story became obsolete now because of UEFI.   
      
   UEFI is needed for some machines but there are lots which still boot via   
   the BIOS.   
      
   If you want to boot a UEFI-only PC you don't personally have to use   
   UEFI. You could use someone else's bootloader. Grub is perhaps best known.   
      
   I am no fan of Grub but AISI ideally one's OS could be booted from BIOS,   
   PXE, Grub, UEFI, etc.   
      
   >   
   > I would restart my OS on UEFI if I find someone who can translate all   
   > the in the UEFI-docs ...   
      
   Yes, the UEFI docs are massive. And IMO the contents are obscure even   
   for a C programmer!   
      
   >   
   > I never will learn C anyway, but perhaps only short key hints are enough   
   > to let me see how structs and parameter size/type look in reality.   
      
   Is there an existing thread on it? I don't see one.   
      
   A few months ago, as I wanted to support UEFI boot via my own bootloader   
   I looked into it - and found it horrendously complicated. To make   
   matters worse my test environment was hugely uninformative. Most of the   
   time I couldn't even tell whether my code had been booted or not.   
      
   I did, however, eventually get it working. As a result I have a Hello   
   World UEFI program written in assembly. I can share the details if you   
   like but it needs a thread of its own.   
      
   I also got working a program which went further along the boot process.   
   It interrogated the file system and successfully found a kernel file to   
   load. That's in C but it's enough to help show how to convert to asm.   
      
   At that point I'd done enough to convince me I could get it working so I   
   moved on to other things but if you are interested I could dig it out.   
   Like you, I don't want to have a C version. It was only to help me get   
   started. Longer term I would have the UEFI bootloader in pure asm or in   
   asm and my own language.   
      
   UEFI can be mastered!   
      
      
   --   
   James Harris   
      
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