XPost: alt.os.linux.mint, alt.os.linux   
   From: mike@rechtman.com   
      
   On 08/09/2023 16:46, Big Al wrote:   
   > On 9/8/23 08:18, this is what Henry Crun wrote:   
   >> On 08/09/2023 14:15, bad sector wrote:   
   >>> On 9/8/23 00:54, azigni wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/6/23 18:04, bad sector wrote:   
   >>>>> They have this SNAP system, ...snipped   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> You do not have use Ubuntu any flavor with Snap or Flatpaks. This is   
   Linux after all. Google removing snap packages   
   >>>> from Ubuntu, it is pretty simple.   
   >>>   
   >>> I think it was a mozilla package that went snap by default, true there WAS   
   an alternative way and I tried it once,   
   >>> but I don't have time to muck around with workarounds so the bundled   
   default software manager has to do it my way by   
   >>> default or optionally. Finally the problem isn't snap per-se. I have no   
   axes to grind about flatpacks (well, maybe a   
   >>> tomahawk or two) but the charateristic that it sabotages home links is a   
   deal braker. It's not a federal case, I   
   >>> still use the U-Studio but its a black mark until fixed.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> I am gradually moving laptop...netbook...eventully desktop from Ub. to MX.   
   >> Very smooth learning curve, some advantages, some disadvantages.   
   >> On Ubuntu I have been running for about  year with no snap or flatpak. If   
   only I could avoid the horror that is systemd.   
   >> We are supposed to have choice, but to choose 'no systemd' immediately   
   implies 'not Ubuntu'   
   >> Pity 'bout that.   
   >>   
   > Can you explain the issue with systemd?   I think Linux Mint uses it and I   
   haven't seen any apparent issues.   
      
   My first and main objection is aesthetic. Now I know that is a non-definable,   
   highly personal quantity. It might be   
   beautifully coded in it's internal working, but the overall efect is one of an   
   all-invading. all-encopmassing entity.   
   Put it succintly. it breaks the tenet "Do one thing, and do it well."   
   Systemd defintely does not "Do one thing". As for "do it well", it's difficult   
   to see through the maze of linked   
   scripts, binary logs and what have you.   
   As the man said to the judge "I'm a simple man, yer 'oner" And I have simple,   
   linear thought processes, and I find the   
   flow of systemd - as I might have mentioned - unaesthetic. It was supposed to   
   be a replacement for init, a modest,   
   well-defined proposition. It has got *WAY* out of hand.   
      
   I guess I'm just another grumpy old man.   
      
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