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   From: dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org   
      
   On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 11:56:06 -0400, Nux Vomica  wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 18:47:30 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> It's becoming harder not to use systemd because it simplifies things for   
   >> applications that don't have to duplicate code to make sure things they need   
   >> are available.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Oh, is it?   
   >   
   > I have never ever used that P.O.S. known as "systemd" and have never ever   
   > experienced any issues whatsoever regarding software usage.   
   >   
   > Would you care to give some specific examples where systemd is essential?   
   >   
   > In my opinion, any GNU/Linux software developer that creates software that   
   > is dependent on systemd should be ostracized from the FOSS community.   
   >   
   > But that will potentially implicate all the RedHat/IBM lackeys at   
   freedesktop.org.   
   >   
   > People stand up!  Purge these commercial influences from FOSS.   
      
   I am not saying it's essential. This is linux so there are always other ways of   
   doing things. It's easier for developers and distribution providers to use and   
   debug, and provides tools for them that simplify things. Those tools are now   
   used by some desktop environments such as gnome. While gnome can be used   
   without   
   it, it's more difficult.   
      
   Where systems like sysv init are more difficult to work with are the edge cases   
   such as having /usr/local on a remote file system and it containing things to   
   be started at boot. That type of setup is used in some organizations. It can be   
   done, but is not easy, and since sysv init doesn't support having overrides in   
   a location that is not part of the package, updates must be done with more   
   caution.   
      
   If you just use a linux install, the learning curve of the switch will be   
   annoying   
   because the benefits are mostly not visible to end users. They do benefit from   
   fewer bugs, and having easier ways to customize things, but if they don't need   
   to customize things they will not see those as benefits.   
      
   For the package developers and distribution creators the benefits are much more   
   obvious.   
      
   If redhat and/or ibm ever decide to make changes to systemd that annoy enough   
   developers and distribution creators, then like any gpl licensed software, it   
   will get forked.   
      
   Regards, Dave Hodgins   
      
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